non-Zondervan study Bibles?

ThePlaidRanger · 02-20-2002, 11:17 AM

I've been looking around for a new study bible, as my old Life Application Bible is on its last legs, and don't want an NIV or a Zondervan-published bible for various reasons (the fact that they publish gender-neutral bibles ( http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2002Jan28.html ) is one of them). I've been looking at the NASB Ryries that are published by Moody Press, but I want to consider all options before I drop 40-50 bucks on a bible (hey, I'm in high school). Do any of you have recommendations? I'm looking for something a bit more in-depth than the LAB. Thanks!

Luke · 02-20-2002, 11:30 AM

I don't like the Ryrie Bibles because I don't much agree with Ryrie.

If you're Arminian and Dispensational you may like them though. I do reccomend a NASB Bible though. Perhaps if you could go into a little more detail on what you're looking for I could make a better reccomendation.

Guy Gaduois · 02-20-2002, 11:32 AM

I found a Nelson Study Bible for a friend that was about $32 (plus tax and shipping, i think it totalled just barely under $40) - he wanted it in NKJV (the new kool jimmy version) and I don't know if they've got one in NASB; it's got some really good notes on it, maps, book summaries, decent concordance, subject index, bonded leather (2885BG is the serial#).
You could see if Nelson has an NASB equiv???
I think christianbooks.com is Christian Book Distributors and they have a good online search of product and relatively decent descriptions, so at least you can get an idea what's out there and prices and such.

r

ps - i was very disappointed with the today's niv maneuver. ibs sent a sample to me @ my church. this is going to be a problem. we've stopped endorsing the niv as a result. it's a real bummer because i work with a lot of folks who don't read well, (we have an adult reading program and we use the bible to teach - we get rec's from local schools, it's a very cool outreach) and i like the idea of using NIV, NLT, NRSV because of the dynamic translation and readability. I just want the Word to have meaning to everyone - but not the wrong meaning, y'know?
long ps whining is no extra charge.

guitarman · 02-20-2002, 11:53 AM

Hey man, don't discount the newest ESV translation!! I'm hearing good things about it

. It's pretty much NASB meets NIV.

Aaron

Blindman · 02-20-2002, 11:53 AM

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Originally posted by ThePlaidRanger
Do any of you have recommendations? I'm looking for something a bit more in-depth than the LAB. Thanks!

If I were buying a new Bible right now, I would probably look for something that has _real_ notes in it, as opposed to my "Study Bible" which has these annoying little boxes interspersed in the text which, although sometimes helpful, get in the way of reading it. When I want real notes and cross references and commentary, I have to switch to my New Oxford Annotated Bible (NRSV) which is the ad hoc official Bible of the Religion department here. If you were Lutheran I would suggest the Concordia Study Bible, which seems to have decenty commentary and such.

As for the actual translation, I would go with NIV or NASB. They're both rather accurate, although the translators of the two had slightly different biases which occasionally show up, sadly enouh, in the differences between the two.

Superman · 02-20-2002, 12:00 PM

I think between NIV and NASB, I like the NASB better. There were some things in NIV that seemed a bit "off" (for lack of a better word).

I still like the KJV though...

Guy Gaduois · 02-20-2002, 05:40 PM

I haven't gotten a hands on look at the ESV - I'll check it out, though. I don't know if anything will ever replace my Klingon Study Bible. Those passages on hell really come to life.

r

A friend says to me "why do you read anything but the KJV? Those new translations are so full of slang, I don't know if I'm reading God's Holy Word or TV Guide!"
So I says "that's easy . . . the crossword in the back of my Bible is much harder than the one in TV guide. And the Simpson's have only been on the cover of my Bible once."

I laughed alone. He did not laugh. We don't see each other much anymore.

My humor is NOT better understood face to face or otherwise.

Bryan · 02-20-2002, 05:48 PM

I just bought the Hebrew-Greek Key Study Bible (NASB). I love it. It is a great bible. I would also recommend the NASB Study Bible. But it is Zondervan. Though I don't like the TNIV, that doesn't mean that the other bibles are bad. I have never seen the TNIV so I can't lay down an opinion on it.

Guy Gaduois · 02-20-2002, 05:57 PM

agreed - we're avoiding association with NIV for protest and because we're concerned that our fellowship be very careful not to tacitly endorse the TNIV by promoting the NIV, understanding that most folks won't end up differentiating any difference.
We've got a position paper on TNIV, It's about a page long, but I'm hesitant to post it . . . although it cites the specific texts we see as problematic/wrong... maybe it's worth posting four or five of the chief TNIV violating verses??

r

I'd like to see more wide margin study Bibles. it would make them monstrously thick, but I'm a note maker. Seems to be a thinning market.

Bryan · 02-20-2002, 06:00 PM

I would definitely like to see these problem texts of the TNIV.

Adam · 02-20-2002, 06:18 PM

I would reccomend buying the New Geneva Study Bible (Now the New Reformation Study Bible). It is New King James, and put together by such greats such as R.C. Sproul and J.I Packer. It includes the various doctrines of the Reformation at key conjunctions in Scripture, and I have found it to be, all in all, a very effective and useful tool in studying the Scriptures.

SnapCase · 02-20-2002, 06:35 PM

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Originally posted by Bryan
I would definitely like to see these problem texts of the TNIV.

http://www.tniv.info/

Bryan · 02-20-2002, 06:35 PM

do they have it in a NASB translation?

SnapCase · 02-20-2002, 06:40 PM

Glancing over the website, I'm not seeing anything too huge that I would totally disregard everything from Zondervan. I checked out the Gender section, and the biggest changes are "brothers" to "brothers and sisters", or "fathers house" to "parents house".

I don't see how this is any different from "The Message" or any other paraphrase or dynamic translation.

SnapCase · 02-20-2002, 06:45 PM

Here is an example of a non-gender retranslation:

Quote:

Matthew 14:25 (NIV)

During the fourth watch of the night Jesus went out to them, walking on the lake.

Matthew 14:25 (TNIV)

Shortly before dawn Jesus went out to them, walking on the lake.

Explanation

The TNIV replaces archaic language with clear, understandable English. References to time, for example, are translated using language familiar to the contemporary reader. The New Testament writers marked time by the hour or watch-e.g., "the ninth hour" or "the fourth watch of the night." Such classifications are virtually unknown today, so they are represented in the TNIV by their closest contemporary equivalent.

This to me isn't a huge deal. The fourth watch was the hours between 3am and 6am. That would be "shortly before dawn". To me this isn't a huge deal.