[Epaphras]

Thought I'd open this can of worms.

We're not even pregnant yet, but I know the debate is raging about vaccination. It's definitely something we're going to have to confront. Very confused about where to get solid information -- what can you trust when doctors disagree with each other?

Did any of you choose not to vaccinate? If so, why?

[MtlMom]

Absolutely.

As a pediatric nurse, I took care of a lot of children who were hospitalized because they weren't vaccinated. I will never forget the face of one mother after I helped with a code-blue on a baby who died of the measles. I also remember several babies who died of pertussis, which can be easily vaccinated against. This was at a renowned pediatric trauma center, not some wide spot in the road.

I had been a nurse for a couple years before I had my daughter. The though of not vaccinating? Beyond my comprehension.

[jthomas1600]

I feel so fortunate that our doctor is our neighbor and friend. She has kids in the same age group as our own. Recently this came up about a specific vaccination that is not mandatory in our area and I just asked if she had given the vaccine to her kids. That's good enough for me. So long story short do all you can to find a doctor that you actually trust.

[DaGeek]

I'm not a parent, but I come from a family that's had vaccinations for pretty much anything/everything since we were kids (Army brats). As far as I know, none of us have ever suffered any negative side effects, and, when I have kids of my own one day, I definitely plan on vaccinations.

[Worshipping]

I know people who have experienced negative side-effects of vaccination. Very traumatic and life-changing, for ever, basically. Just because it's not something that happens to everyone does not mean that it isn't happening regularly. And vaccinated people still get the illnesses they've been vaccinated against - more often than non-vaccinated people, statistically. There are several books available on Amazon about this topic and I'd recommend reading a few.

[S.B.Nichols]

Since we've gotten pregnant, my wife has been on this kick about 'delayed vaccinations.' Spreading out the vaccinations a little bit more for the first few years or something like that. I dunno...I don't understand it all. I tell her all the time that I was vaccinated normally and turned out fine.

[thesteve]

My wife and I have tried our best to stick to the set vaccination schedule. There are definitely risks involved, but there are also risks involved with not vaccinating.

Originally Posted by Worshipping

And vaccinated people still get the illnesses they've been vaccinated against - more often than non-vaccinated people, statistically.

I would be interested in seeing a direct source for this if you have one. From a scientific standpoint it doesn't make any sense to me.

[jthomas1600]

Originally Posted by S.B.Nichols

Since we've gotten pregnant, my wife has been on this kick about 'delayed vaccinations.' Spreading out the vaccinations a little bit more for the first few years or something like that. I dunno...I don't understand it all. I tell her all the time that I was vaccinated normally and turned out fine.

At which point she rolls her eyes and thinks "you just keep on living in that fantasy babe". But seriously, I did a little internet search on the danger of vaccines this morning and it's hard to wade through all the articles and studies that were done by people (homeopathic, natural wellness centers etc) who have something to gain by creating fear and uncertainty. Worshiping said in their post that more people get sick who have been vaccinated. I'd be curious to see a link for that.

[ethan_hanus]

I've never had the flu vaccine, and I've never gotten the flu, even though I've been through public school. I think being vaccinated against things like Small Pox and those deadly ones we've eradicated is a good idea, to prevent them from coming back, but injecting 30 different vaccines when your 6 months old is just a bad idea, knowing that everyone of those vaccines has a small amount of mercury in them. I don't care what anyone says, mercury is a heavy metal and a neural toxin, it never leaves your body, and it builds up, so it's constantly destroying cells and mutating them and what not, despite the quantity. It's just like how CFC affect the Ozone, 1 molecule of R-12 can destroy over 300,000 Ozone molecules over 100 years before it makes it's way back to the ground.

A natural immunity is much stronger than a synthetic immunity, people have lived just fine without vaccines for all the little sicknesses just fine. I personally will never let them inject my child with all that God knows what and tell me that it's good for them, I'll decide whats good for my child, not the government.

[thesteve]

Originally Posted by ethan_hanus

I've never had the flu vaccine, and I've never gotten the flu, even though I've been through public school.

I never had the flu vaccine and I'm pretty sure I've had flu. My sister didn't get the H1N1 flu vaccine last year and almost died from H1N1

I think being vaccinated against things like Small Pox and those deadly ones we've eradicated is a good idea, to prevent them from coming back, but injecting 30 different vaccines when your 6 months old is just a bad idea, knowing that everyone of those vaccines has a small amount of mercury in them

I'm pretty sure you can tell your doctor to give the non-mercury vaccine in most, if not all cases. Also, 30 vaccines by 6 months sounds really high. I don't have my daughter's vaccination chart on hand, but I'm pretty sure your number is off.

A natural immunity is much stronger than a synthetic immunity, people have lived just fine without vaccines for all the little sicknesses just fine. I personally will never let them inject my child with all that God knows what and tell me that it's good for them, I'll decide whats good for my child, not the government.

I'm not sure how you're defining "natural' vs. "synthetic" immunity here. I'm pretty sure immunity is immunity whether you get it from exposure or get it from a vaccine.

[Worshipping]

Originally Posted by thesteve

I would be interested in seeing a direct source for this if you have one. From a scientific standpoint it doesn't make any sense to me.

Originally Posted by jthomas1600

Worshiping said in their post that more people get sick who have been vaccinated. I'd be curious to see a link for that.

I don't have a link, sorry. I've done much of my research from books and not online. I have probably six or seven books directly related to vaccinations and a whole shelf on other health topics. But I'll see what I can find in the books later on - there may be links in them you can check out. Unfortunately, I can't just do a typed keyword search with printed paper.

Honestly, though, Amazon or another book store is your best bet. This is too important a subject to leave up to a few internet sites or other peoples' opinions (mine included).

[thesteve]

Originally Posted by Worshipping

I don't have a link, sorry. I've done all of my research from books and not online. I have probably six or seven books directly related to vaccinations and a whole shelf on other health topics. But I'll see what I can find in the books later on - there may be links in them you can check out. Unfortunately, I can't just do a typed keyword search with printed paper.

Honestly, though, Amazon or another book store is your best bet. This is too important a subject to leave up to a few internet sites or other peoples' opinions (mine included).

If you can name the specific book(s) that talk about it, it would definitely be helpful. If you could summarize their logic behind it that would be cool too. Like I said, the idea itself just doesn't jive with the way it all works from a biological standpoint.

[Worshipping]

Originally Posted by thesteve

I'm pretty sure you can tell your doctor to give the non-mercury vaccine in most, if not all cases.

Mercury is the most well-known issue in terms of problem preservatives, but they also use formaldehyde and other nasty things.

Actually, HERE is a link for you guys, to start with. I just remembered that this author has a website. He is a highly-regarded U.S. neurosurgeon. Very smart guy with loads of cred.

Also, interesting that you mention H1N1, since it actually killed fewer people than the flu normally does each year. But it made a lot of money for the pharmaceutical companies! Not that they need it - they already make more money than any other industry, including oil and weapons. In fact, the top ten pharma companies in the Fortune 500 list make more money than the other 490 companies combined. But, I digress. HERE's a link from the same guy as in the previous link, talking about H1N1.

[Worshipping]

Originally Posted by thesteve

If you can name the specific book(s) that talk about it, it would definitely be helpful. If you could summarize their logic behind it that would be cool too. Like I said, the idea itself just doesn't jive with the way it all works from a biological standpoint.

Sure, man. I'll be back with some specific info this evening. I'm just on lunch break right now.

[redbaron]

I suggest citing peer reviewed articles from reputable journals, as it reduces profit motive and enhances credibility.
My understanding is that few vaccines still contain mercury and those that do have alternatives.

The thing most of the deniers dont address is herd immunity

I need to get on my computer and off my phone because there's too much to address here

Ethan, if you think there's a natural immunity to things like polio or the measles you might want to study up on how the immune system works a nd how vaccines work with it.


I can't wait to get on a computer so I can destroy that vaccines = autism quack