[thesteve]

Originally Posted by ethan_hanus

I was just flipping through pictures real quick, so yeah, I made a mistake, but there are black founders.

Proof, watch the whole thing. The Daily Beck- Watch The Glenn Beck Show- May 28, 2010- Founders' Friday- America's Black Founding Fathers

The computer I'm at doesn't have Flash player capability. Since you've apparently already watched it, you should be able to list off all of the black-Americans in the video. Note that we are specifically looking for the ones that signed the Declaration of Independence.

[Rainer.]

Originally Posted by ethan_hanus

I was just flipping through pictures real quick, so yeah, I made a mistake, but there are black founders.

Proof, watch the whole thing. The Daily Beck- Watch The Glenn Beck Show- May 28, 2010- Founders' Friday- America's Black Founding Fathers

I don't think you can claim the existence of Freedmen in America was any evidence that there was "no racism"...

Beck likes to talk about how there were important black men in the revolution, but they were forgotten about. Mostly because they were black. One of them spied on the British while serving them. A couple more rowed boats... how does this show there was "no racism"?

There were definitely no freedmen in the South.

[thesteve]

I found this on Foxnews...it's a script of the video you posted: 'Glenn Beck': Founders' Friday: African-American Founders - Glenn Beck - FOXNews.com I'm glad I found it, because I read faster than Glenn talks.

Now, the idea that there were important men who happened to be black in the late 18th and early/mid 19th century is a fine idea. I can agree to that. The issue that I take up is that you specifically said that there were black men who signed the Declaration of Independence. There is ZERO mention of that in the Glenn Beck video.

Now, before we deviate further (as we've jumped from Constitution to Declaration to signers to Founding Fathers), do you actually have any evidence that a single signer of the Declaration of Independence was black?

[JerryLove]

Originally Posted by ethan_hanus

I was just flipping through pictures real quick, so yeah, I made a mistake, but there are black founders.

Proof, watch the whole thing. The Daily Beck- Watch The Glenn Beck Show- May 28, 2010- Founders' Friday- America's Black Founding Fathers

Point 1: Beck regularly and routinely makes extremely untrue statements of fact.
Point 2: There's no way I'm going to waste my time sifting through one of his shows to try to gues what you are thinking of to disprove some vague inference you picked up so you cna just spend 3 seconds posting another show without specific claim nor cite.
Point 3: When called for a specific claim you made one which was absolutely and completely false. Do you now consider the source of that information unreliable? Or are you just moving on to their next claim and repeating that?

Seriously: Does Beck monitor for when one acolyte gets kicked off and just send another?

[Rainer.]

Glenn Beck is probably stalking you, Jerry.

[mulletman]

Originally Posted by ethan_hanus

Proof, watch the whole thing. The Daily Beck- Watch The Glenn Beck Show- May 28, 2010- Founders' Friday- America's Black Founding Fathers

Hint: Don't say "proof" and then link to Glenn Beck, if you want anyone ever to take you seriously. It would be like me using a Steve Martin link to prove my political point.

[thesteve]

Originally Posted by The Phantom Mullet

Hint: Don't say "proof" and then link to Glenn Beck, if you want anyone ever to take you seriously. It would be like me using a Steve Martin link to prove my political point.

To be honest, I would have been fine with the Beck video had Beck even talked about anything related to this thread, which he didn't.

[Demon_Hunter]

Originally Posted by ethan_hanus

Yeah, since when do politicians ever mean what they say. The English language has about 10 different meanings for every single word. So I can say one thing, and depending on how you look at it, it can mean 5 different things. Progressives are awesome at twisting words to confuse people into thinking a certain way when they really mean something else. Like Obama's "Change" campaign, "We'll change Washington and make it better", we'll, what exactly do you mean, "were gona change it" oh I see, so less government involvement in our lives? "Were gona change it". And the change we got, Democrats spending a crap ton of money we don't have instead of the Republicans doing it. That's a change.

The war in Iraq is almost over. That's a change.
Gitmo trials are kind of starting. That's a change.
The recession bush left us with is starting to subside. That's a change.

I'm sure there are others.

Our rights as Americans is guaranteed by God in the Bill of Rights. Now why are they guaranteed by God? Simply put, man doesn't speak for God, so therefor man can not change what God has said to their own benefit. If your rights were guaranteed by man, then man could change your rights anytime he wanted to, and you would be powerless to stop it. But if it's God, then nobody has any control over what the rights are, cause God has already laid them out.

God didn't actually guarantee our rights in the constitution. Man simply invoked the name of god. There is a huge difference here.

[JerryLove]

Originally Posted by Demon_Hunter

The war in Iraq is almost over. That's a change.
Gitmo trials are kind of starting. That's a change.
The recession bush left us with is starting to subside. That's a change.

I'm sure there are others.

Healthcare reform passed. People can no longer loose their insurance because they get sick, and ilnness cannot be not-covered because it's pre-existing, and there can no longer be a cap on coverage, and parents can cover their children till 26.

[athanatos]

Originally Posted by thesteve

I found this on Foxnews...it's a script of the video you posted: 'Glenn Beck': Founders' Friday: African-American Founders - Glenn Beck - FOXNews.com I'm glad I found it, because I read faster than Glenn talks.

Now, the idea that there were important men who happened to be black in the late 18th and early/mid 19th century is a fine idea. I can agree to that. The issue that I take up is that you specifically said that there were black men who signed the Declaration of Independence. There is ZERO mention of that in the Glenn Beck video.

Now, before we deviate further (as we've jumped from Constitution to Declaration to signers to Founding Fathers), do you actually have any evidence that a single signer of the Declaration of Independence was black?

To be fair, I think he said he made a mistake and instead backed his claim down to merely that there were African-American founders. Not necessarily signers.

That's what I got from this:

Originally Posted by ethan

I was just flipping through pictures real quick, so yeah, I made a mistake, but there are black founders.

[thesteve]

Originally Posted by athanatos

To be fair, I think he said he made a mistake and instead backed his claim down to merely that there were African-American founders. Not necessarily signers.

That's what I got from this:

Maybe, what I got from that was that he just picked the wrong guy and that the video would tell us who the right guy was. If his intention was to retract his claim, then he could have been a bit more clear.

[athanatos]

Originally Posted by thesteve

Maybe, what I got from that was that he just picked the wrong guy and that the video would tell us who the right guy was. If his intention was to retract his claim, then he could have been a bit more clear.

People avoid being abundantly clear and open about their mistakes. In general. It is hard.

[slap_j]

Originally Posted by athanatos

People avoid being abundantly clear and open about their mistakes. In general. It is hard.

Especially when 10 people are there to point out your error. Hah. Anyway, seems like an honest mistake. We did have very important black men and women early in our history.