New 10 10 movment in Europe EcoFascism?

ethan_hanus · 10-04-2010, 05:14 PM

So there's this new campaign in Europe by the government to make people reduce their carbon foot print by 10% over 10 days. They ran a add that was quickly taken off the web due to public out cry to how horribly immoral it was. Is this how the environmentalists think?

I wont post a link to it since it's very violent but you can find the video at The Blaze, just look for the article ‘No Pressure’: New Environmental Campaign Glorifies Eco-Fascism.

Discuss.

**thesteve** · 10-04-2010, 05:22 PM

I can't watch video at work, but would you be able to list off some of the things that are "horribly immoral" about it? While 10 days seems really fast, I feel like it would not be hard for most people in Western countries to reduce their carbon footprint by 10% in a short amount of time.

***BillSPrestonEsq*** · 10-04-2010, 05:22 PM

Do you even know what fascism is?

I have seen the video. Eco-terrorism advocacy, maybe.

But how in the world could it be fascist? It has nothing to do with nationalist ideology. It has nothing to do with a mythic past.

***BillSPrestonEsq*** · 10-04-2010, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by thesteve

I can't watch video at work, but would you be able to list off some of the things that are "horribly immoral" about it? While 10 days seems really fast, I feel like it would not be hard for most people in Western countries to reduce their carbon footprint by 10% in a short amount of time.

Blowing up people who don't commit to do it.

**thesteve** · 10-04-2010, 05:26 PM

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Blowing up people who don't commit to do it.

Haha...I see that now. I managed to find some articles on the video "No Pressure". Apparently it was a joke that nobody got. One writer compared it to "South Park", "The Daily Show" and "The Colbert Report".

ethan_hanus · 10-04-2010, 05:28 PM

If it was a joke, then I didn't get it, along with millions of other people, cause blowing up children because they don't agree with you is pure Marxist, and as Christians it's completely wrong by all means.

If it's a joke then I'm not laughing, not one bit, it just shows how insensitive and out of touch progressives are with real people.

***BillSPrestonEsq*** · 10-04-2010, 05:36 PM

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Haha...I see that now. I managed to find some articles on the video "No Pressue". Apparently it was a joke that nobody got. One writer compared it to "South Park", "The Daily Show" and "The Colbert Repotr".

The "humor" behind it is moderately alarming to me, because humor is tied to ones actual beliefs. What one finds funny is tied to what one finds incongruous, and I would not find a show funny which used nazi concentration camps as a positive punchline.

The ideas that some would find such funny in an age where ecoterrorism exists disturbs me a bit. I would think most progressives would find it disturbing as well.

But it ain't fascism. That is for sure.

**Rainer.** · 10-04-2010, 05:47 PM

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If it was a joke, then I didn't get it, along with millions of other people, cause blowing up children because they don't agree with you is pure Marxist, and as Christians it's completely wrong by all means.

If it's a joke then I'm not laughing, not one bit, it just shows how insensitive and out of touch progressives are with real people.

This video reminds me a bit too much of the "botched joke" controversy that surrounded John Kerry back in '04. Attack the failed attempt at hyperbole instead of the actual issues...

It's easy to fight a caricature of the progressive environmentalist movement when something silly like this video come out. But the video is simply ridiculous. Do you honestly believe that the people who made the video are more likely: A) Eco-terrorists, or B) Comics with a very dark sense of humor?

It's like a blood and gore horror film. If you're taking it seriously, I think you're not taking it in the way the makers intended.

**slap_j** · 10-04-2010, 06:08 PM

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I have seen the video. Eco-terrorism advocacy, maybe.

At absolute worst. And as misguided as they are, I don't think any so-called guerrilla environmentalist groups (E.L.F. for example) have ever advocated murder or any sort of direct violence against people.

I found the ad to be cartoonish. In poor taste. Ineffective. Not a call to arms or any such thing.

***BillSPrestonEsq*** · 10-04-2010, 06:28 PM

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At absolute worst. And as misguided as they are, I don't think any so-called guerrilla environmentalist groups (E.L.F. for example) have ever advocated murder or any sort of direct violence against people.

I found the ad to be cartoonish. In poor taste. Ineffective. Not a call to arms or any such thing.

I agree. But after a green peace activist kicked my crutches out from under me for not signing a petition I am not too happy about any form of environmental activism that borders on violence. Okay, scratch that, any form of activism that borders on violence.

I don't like the sense of humor that finds non-conformity to political pressure being cause for violent murder funny. I have a dark sense of humor, but jokes, and what you find funny say a lot about what you really believe. If for, example, it presented the same setup with joining the teaparty, it would be equally as out of line. I didn't see it as a call to arms, but have you seen the cartoons of the 1930s? Looneytunes for example. There are quite a few which have been pulled now which show the humor of the day.

I think there is a link between what society views as humorous and where it is headed. Now, there was a backlash to this and I think that is good in what it speaks to the state of society, but I find it concerning that such would receive support or have been made.

JerryLove · 10-04-2010, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ethan_hanus

If it was a joke, then I didn't get it, along with millions of other people, cause blowing up children because they don't agree with you is pure Marxist,

Marx never advocated any such thing

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and as Christians it's completely wrong by all means.

Yes. Killing disagreeing children is very unChristian.

Unless they are disobedient:
All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

or have sex
A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

and if they are in a town preaching a different god: kill the whole town.
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock.

Now can you quote Marx please?

You keep tossing around words (this isn't the first time you've used "Marxist") with absolutely no understanding of what they mean. Please pick up a dictionary.

Jeffrey · 10-04-2010, 07:05 PM

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I agree. But after a green peace activist kicked my crutches out from under me for not signing a petition I am not too happy about any form of environmental activism that borders on violence. Okay, scratch that, any form of activism that borders on violence.

Dude, Bill, you can't extrapolate one piece of rough treatment to a condemnation of a whole movement.

I mean, our soldiers are murdering people overseas. That seems like something to get worked up over a lot more than an offensive ad and a movement that is, like any movement, filled with some jerks.

***BillSPrestonEsq*** · 10-04-2010, 07:26 PM

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Dude, Bill, you can't extrapolate one piece of rough treatment to a condemnation of a whole movement.

I mean, our soldiers are murdering people overseas. That seems like something to get worked up over a lot more than an offensive ad and a movement that is, like any movement, filled with some jerks.

No, but I can extrapolate there are nuts in a group. I didn't extrapolate anything btw in my post. I said I didn't like violence in a group or violence at all. Got a problem with that? I said I'd have had a problem with it based on content regardless of who produced it or for what purpose. Getting my crutches kicked out from under me for not signing a petition was a mild, real life version of the same attitude in the video. Meaning that at least, at one point in time, one guy in chicago believed violence for disagreement over environmental ideals in a movement was appropriate. SO yes, I encountered one instance of a mild, but real world version of the core ideology behind the video.

What can I say, I don't like violent nuts, period. Whether there are environmental nutcases is not really a point to debate. They exist, and have, or do I need to point to those who have spiked trees to injure, maim or kill loggers amongst other things.

I believe every group has a lunatic fringe.

Also, I have not exactly been pro-military either I might add. I was not worked up except over the abuse of the word fascism.

normajean777 · 10-04-2010, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JerryLove

Marx never advocated any such thing

Yes. Killing disagreeing children is very unChristian.

Unless they are disobedient:
All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

or have sex
A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

and if they are in a town preaching a different god: kill the whole town.
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock.

They didn't have Christians in the days of Leviticus? Christians aren't bound by those laws?

These ads aren't really something to be alarmed over, but its just a bad marketing move. Whoever thought these would be funny missed the mark and whoever approved them did as well. But really its not something to be angry over...

JerryLove · 10-04-2010, 08:42 PM

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They didn't have Christians in the days of Leviticus? Christians aren't bound by those laws?

Sorry. I mistakenly thought it was the same God in charge.

Really, though, my point is on the post I was responding to and it's disconnect with reality.

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These ads aren't really something to be alarmed over, but its just a bad marketing move. Whoever thought these would be funny missed the mark and whoever approved them did as well. But really its not something to be angry over...

I suppose I should go watch them or something.