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ethan_hanus · 10-15-2010, 10:20 AM

Doesn't sound all that great to me, the lower gain sims sound pretty good, but all the high gain stuff sounds over compressed and to bassy. Maybe if you rolled back on the bass a bit, but it still sounds a little bit digital. May just be me though.

**Rainer.** · 10-15-2010, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ethan_hanus

Doesn't sound all that great to me, the lower gain sims sound pretty good, but all the high gain stuff sounds over compressed and to bassy. Maybe if you rolled back on the bass a bit, but it still sounds a little bit digital. May just be me though.

How were you listening to it?

How it sounds is greatly a function of if you're using speakers/an amp/headphones/a PA/etc.

ibanez_dude · 10-15-2010, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Rainer.

How were you listening to it?

How it sounds is greatly a function of if you're using speakers/an amp/headphones/a PA/etc.

not those factors alone, but how/if the pod is configured for each of those uses. e.g., if you run it into a PA without the amp/cab modeling on, it's gunna sound like garbage

ethan_hanus · 10-16-2010, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Rainer.

How were you listening to it?

How it sounds is greatly a function of if you're using speakers/an amp/headphones/a PA/etc.

My AIWA 130 watt mini hi fi stereo system, gives me a pretty accurate picture of things, just not accurate enough for most audio engineers.

***BillSPrestonEsq*** · 10-18-2010, 01:22 PM

Uggh, its out for delivery as it has been since 5:43 this morning. I am going nuts waiting.

**surferdude9375** · 10-18-2010, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BillSPrestonEsq

Uggh, its out for delivery as it has been since 5:43 this morning. I am going nuts waiting.

That is always how it works. I usually call the local UPS center and ask them to hold the package so I can just pick it up in the morning when I really want something.

jefcon1 · 10-18-2010, 02:22 PM

I just listened to the clips. I don't know. I'm still using a Roland GP-100 from 1995 for modeling stuff and I'm just not hearing 15 years of advancement in modeling technology in those sound clips. The connectivity is nice and the convenience of the floor unit. The tracking on the harmonizer could be much better than the Roland, but its impossible to tell without playing it yourself. Flawless spring reverb modeling is what I'd be looking for before I took another modeling plunge.

I'd love to read Bill's review when he gets his.

***BillSPrestonEsq*** · 10-18-2010, 03:06 PM

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I just listened to the clips. I don't know. I'm still using a Roland GP-100 from 1995 for modeling stuff and I'm just not hearing 15 years of advancement in modeling technology in those sound clips. The connectivity is nice and the convenience of the floor unit. The tracking on the harmonizer could be much better than the Roland, but its impossible to tell without playing it yourself. Flawless spring reverb modeling is what I'd be looking for before I took another modeling plunge.

I'd love to read Bill's review when he gets his.

Which clips did you listen to? The line6 ones on site rather suck compared to some others I have heard. Spring reverb seems rather tricky to me as it uses a whole lot of interaction between physical items and you can kick the amp and make it make strange noises and such. I wonder if anyone will ever get it 100% there. I probably won't do much of a review for several days other than telling you what I like and don't like.

**thesteve** · 10-18-2010, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BillSPrestonEsq

Spring reverb seems rather tricky to me as it uses a whole lot of interaction between physical items and you can kick the amp and make it make strange noises and such. I wonder if anyone will ever get it 100% there.

Because it's legitimately physical, I don't know if it's possible. I always feel like a good amp spring reverb actually changes its characteristics based on the volume the player is playing at because of the vibrations induced by the sound waves coming from the speakers...

***BillSPrestonEsq*** · 10-18-2010, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by thesteve

Because it's legitimately physical, I don't know if it's possible. I always feel like a good amp spring reverb actually changes its characteristics based on the volume the player is playing at because of the vibrations induced by the sound waves coming from the speakers...

agreed, I am sure it could theoretically be done, but practically, I am not so sure that it will be. The number of variables and such are rather phenomenal when you think about it. Which could mean it could require a prohibitive amount of processing power.

jefcon1 · 10-18-2010, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BillSPrestonEsq

Which clips did you listen to? The line6 ones on site rather suck compared to some others I have heard. Spring reverb seems rather tricky to me as it uses a whole lot of interaction between physical items and you can kick the amp and make it make strange noises and such. I wonder if anyone will ever get it 100% there. I probably won't do much of a review for several days other than telling you what I like and don't like.

I just listened to the one on the Line6 site. Probably not the best. I look forward to some better clips.

Spring reverb would be quite tricky. That was just my sarcastic way of saying I won't be buying any modelers any time soon. Although the Boss FRV-1 is not terrible for the price, it's definitley not flawless. In a defined dynamic range the FRV-1 is pretty close. Probably close enough for anyone listining in a noisy bar. But when you go from a subtle drip to smacking the strings it becomes very COSMish, which is not good. At the same time, if you only play one or two surf songs it beats carrying around a vintage tank. And I don't know if there is an algorythm that could mimic the onboard tube reverb of an over powered combo amp. But if you had asked me 15 years ago, if such a thing would be available today I probably would have said yes based on how impressive the GP-100 was back then.

***BillSPrestonEsq*** · 10-18-2010, 06:39 PM

First impressions: overwhelmed. The mic sims and cabs seem to change things immensely. I think this is why some of them sound so bassy and fake on the site. I will say, I am quite impressed so far, but overwhelmed.

The mic sims as came stock seemed to really sound woofy to me. It is going to take a lot of monkeying to get the tone you want out of it, but I think I need to start with the mics, go to the off axis sm57 one. (Not the default, but the one I have used mostly in real life) It seems more natural than the default one.

I think I will start with a neutral mic, then select an amp, then make sure I like the cab with it, then tweak accordingly. Personally, I think the editor interface is clunky.

**Rainer.** · 10-18-2010, 07:29 PM

If it's just too much for you, you have my address.

Leviathon · 11-03-2010, 07:56 AM

Guys, I would browse through this forum and listen to many of the user created clips on the HD500... It's really starting to sound very good. Browse through the first 3-5 pages and look for sound clips. Some really good stuff.

Digital and Modeling Gear - The Gear Page

Also, there are some vids on youtube from a guy name Chris Beaver. Great player and composer. Did 2 or 3 vids with the HD500... amazing

Here's one... you can find his other vids from this one.

YouTube - LINE 6 POD HD500 HUGE MULTITRACK RECORDING the ultimate test

The amps that really sound good to me so far is the Park and the Dr. Z model. The patches that are being created sound really good. Here are some clips and the threads...

Having some fun with Dr. Z - The Gear Page
Clean Twin clip - The Gear Page
HD500 Twin Reverb clip - The Gear Page