[Kentl]

since some people seem to still not believe me about sight reading, I'm going to be posting almost all of my practice times on here as videos.


I really did not want to have to do this but when someone accuses me of lying or not pratcing and not trying hard enough or giving up when something is barely hard its time to prove them wrong
this is about me and who i am
calling me a liar, lazy, or quieter is the ultimate insult to me
and I NEED to prove them wrong
if I don't I will be really mad at those people and thats not a good thing

besides that this will be a way of showing my guitar teacher that I am working on it when he thinks I'm not


first let me say that
when I memorizes the song in less then four try I have it down and wont forget it

so I know how to play the song, how ever if you give me a sheet with the same notes in a deferent song
I'm lost


I've used four deferent books and completed them, I even play the songs back wards
how ever if you give me a song i have not learned with the same notes i cant read it.

I can't make my brain stop thinking the way it dose

it thinks the notes by what fret i press
so while playing song of joy my mind thinks, E, F, G,G ect
which is right
but it is getting this by what note I'm playing not the fact that the note is writing on the paper

I've tried playing back wards and picking out pieces but even then my mind thinks
of the guitar figuring
I'll have first Videos up today, but it takes a long time for youtube to upload

[jeepnstein]

Might as well lock this thread, too. It's going nowhere fast.

[Josey Wales]

dude, i have hard times with new songs too, thats why you gotta practice each new song as the first time you played anything, each song takes practice, i'm still practicing one of the first stevie ray vaughan licks i learned way back when i first learned it, i play the lick everyday, and get better and better, and that just a short lick, not even a full song . i believe you dude, i'm in the same pickle boat you are.

when you sightread, are you reading tab, or standard staff?

[Kentl]

Originally Posted by josey wales

dude, i have hard times with new songs too, thats why you gotta practice each new song as the first time you played anything, each song takes practice, i'm still practicing one of the first stevie ray vaughan licks i learned way back when i first learned it, i play the lick everyday, and get better and better, and that just a short lick, not even a full song . i believe you dude, i'm in the same pickle boat you are.

when you sightread, are you reading tab, or standard staff?

Stranded
and you did not read my post
i dont hvae a hard time with new songs
they are eazy i just vant learn to read





jeepnstein: name one thing I've done in this thread to indicate anything

you guys say i don't practice
or i just give up to easy and I'm proving you guys wrong

there is nothing wrong with proving someone wrong when they call you a liar
or someone who quits at everything

I'm taken the time to recored everything to show you guys that I'm for real

there is nothing wrong with that

[metropolis4]

If you don't want to learn something I don't see anyone around here forcing you...

You have to weight things for yourself. For you right now the question is: Is the time and effort required to learn to read music worth it?

Only you can answer that question for yourself. We can all tell you why it's useful, but ultimately you're the one who has to decide if it's worth your time to master the skill or not.

If so great! We'd love to help you as you learn.
If not Great! There's nothing wrong with that decision either. Use your time on things that are more beneficial for you

[thesteve]

Originally Posted by metropolis4

If you don't want to learn something I don't see anyone around here forcing you...

You have to weight things for yourself. For you right now the question is: Is the time and effort required to learn to read music worth it?

Only you can answer that question for yourself. We can all tell you why it's useful, but ultimately you're the one who has to decide if it's worth your time to master the skill or not.

If so great! We'd love to help you as you learn.
If not Great! There's nothing wrong with that decision either. Use your time on things that are more beneficial for you

I think the biggest issue is that even if everyone on CGR cheers him on to do what he wants, his music teacher is still forcing him to learn standard notation.

[Kentl]

Let me say this
It;s not that i don't want to learn how to read i do
its just that i haven't gotten beater in a few months
i do believe that its possible it can help me in ways i don't know about

but no one has told me those ways yet

also i cant stop

my guitar teacher is paid by my parents who where told the ver famous thing of
"reading music will make you way bester


Edit
you tube wont work for me

[guitarman531]

Being able to read notation is handy. I don't have a very extensive knowledge, but I spent a year learning basic stuff and it's been invaluable to me (and I wish I knew more).

I play most songs using TAB and chord sheets, but when I'm trying to figure out timing or a melody line, it is really handy to know the standard notation!

As (I think) BSPE has mentioned, it's the language of music. Can you survive without learning it? Yeah. However, learning the basics will only help you in the long run. You may not see the short term benefits, but it can't hurt you.

I started learning basic notation during my first year of lessons (and it took me about a full year to become somewhat comfortable) and then didn't use it for another couple of years. Now I use it regularly for picking out melodies (and their timing) and rhythms [very helpful in a band setting]. All-in-all, it's taken me about 5 years to become truly comfortable with the basics (Granted, it's been 5 years of casual usage, not intense study). So don't lose heart after a few months!

You may not need it NOW for your CURRENT band...but you never know if it might help somewhere down the line....

[Rainer.]

Originally Posted by Kentl

Edit
you tube wont work for me

That's convenient...

[Kentl]

Originally Posted by guitarman531

Being able to read notation is handy. I don't have a very extensive knowledge, but I spent a year learning basic stuff and it's been invaluable to me (and I wish I knew more).

I play most songs using TAB and chord sheets, but when I'm trying to figure out timing or a melody line, it is really handy to know the standard notation!

As (I think) BSPE has mentioned, it's the language of music. Can you survive without learning it? Yeah. However, learning the basics will only help you in the long run. You may not see the short term benefits, but it can't hurt you.

I started learning basic notation during my first year of lessons (and it took me about a full year to become somewhat comfortable) and then didn't use it for another couple of years. Now I use it regularly for picking out melodies (and their timing) and rhythms [very helpful in a band setting]. All-in-all, it's taken me about 5 years to become truly comfortable with the basics (Granted, it's been 5 years of casual usage, not intense study). So don't lose heart after a few months!

You may not need it NOW for your CURRENT band...but you never know if it might help somewhere down the line....

but when you say confabulate you mean
with sharps flats rests
ties
bends slides ect

i'm just taken about
E F G
B C D
its hard work evrey day
and im geting no where

you say it helps but how dose it help?
as youi said your self you use tabs more ofetn then not

Originally Posted by Alton Dong

That's convenient...

Video Shortened!?!? - YouTube Help
problem a lot of people l are having

not convenient just a bug

[guitarman531]

Originally Posted by Kentl

but when you say confabulate you mean
with sharps flats rests
ties
bends slides ect

i'm just taken about
E F G
B C D
its hard work evrey day
and im geting no where

you say it helps but how dose it help?
as youi said your self you use tabs more ofetn then not



Video Shortened!?!? - YouTube Help
problem a lot of people l are having

not convenient just a bug

It helps me regularly pick out melodies (and their timings) and song rhythms. I've heard it said that music isn't so much about the notes played, but about the spaces between the notes (the rests). So understanding the timing can be really helpful.

And yes, knowing E F G/B C D is really helpful. If you're ever in a setting where the notes are on the page, but you can't listen to the song, reading/playing the notes will tell you how the song goes without having to hear it.

Again, it may not seem useful NOW, but you never know where you might be in 5 years...

Also, I never said tabs were bad or that you couldn't use them... I'm just saying that I use tabs regularly AND knowing standard notation has STILL proven very helpful to me

Do you play any sports or games regularly, Kentl?

[Kentl]

Originally Posted by guitarman531

It helps me regularly pick out melodies (and their timings) and song rhythms. I've heard it said that music isn't so much about the notes played, but about the spaces between the notes (the rests). So understanding the timing can be really helpful.

And yes, knowing E F G/B C D is really helpful. If you're ever in a setting where the notes are on the page, but you can't listen to the song, reading/playing the notes will tell you how the song goes without having to hear it.

Again, it may not seem useful NOW, but you never know where you might be in 5 years...

Also, I never said tabs were bad or that you couldn't use them... I'm just saying that I use tabs regularly AND knowing standard notation has STILL proven very helpful to me

I agreed with the beniftis but i dont see me needing them

may i have to use it once?
maybe a few times but i cant see it more then once a year even


but anyways

my problem is where iv benn studing

i got the first two lessons down
E F G
then B C D
but lesson three combines them and i cant do that

i got lesson one and two done fast

l;esson three has been going on for months

its only three songs
so its like really unlikly this is helpign

what did you do to pracite?

[guitarman531]

Originally Posted by Kentl

I agreed with the beniftis but i dont see me needing them

may i have to use it once?
maybe a few times but i cant see it more then once a year even

Like I've said...you may not see the benefits NOW, but you never know what opportunities may arise later in your life. When I started playing guitar 5 years ago, I didn't have any prior musical experience, I had terrible stage fright, and I couldn't sing a tune to save my life. But God uses unlikely candidates sometimes and now God has developed my voice and my playing confidence to a point where I'm leading a worship band on a weekly basis... And I thought I'd never use the standard notation either...but it HAS come in handy for me in ways that I've already outlined....

my problem is where iv benn studing

i got the first two lessons down
E F G
then B C D
but lesson three combines them and i cant do that

i got lesson one and two done fast

l;esson three has been going on for months

its only three songs
so its like really unlikly this is helpign

what did you do to pracite?

I practiced the songs over. and over. and over. and over again until my fingers hurt so bad I couldn't play. And then when they felt better, I played it again....

Set yourself some longer-term goals. Like...say you want to have lesson three down by Christmas and see if you can do that. Don't get so caught up in the "now" or what you think you'll need. You're defeating yourself mentally before you even start.

Trust me and the other way more qualified musicians on this board that have said that it can't hurt you by knowing some basic standard notation.

[Kentl]

Originally Posted by guitarman531

Like I've said...you may not see the benefits NOW, but you never know what opportunities may arise later in your life. When I started playing guitar 5 years ago, I didn't have any prior musical experience, I had terrible stage fright, and I couldn't sing a tune to save my life. But God uses unlikely candidates sometimes and now God has developed my voice and my playing confidence to a point where I'm leading a worship band on a weekly basis... And I thought I'd never use the standard notation either...but it HAS come in handy for me in ways that I've already outlined....

fyi
ive been playing for five years to
anyways
i also have stage fright and what not
how ever its taken me five years to get to this basic

for me it takes WAY longer then what it would take you
and i train hardar then most

so it will be a few years before i get
E F G A B C D E F G down form freat 0 to 4
im not saying i wont learn but it will be years before i get contable

Originally Posted by guitarman531

I practiced the songs over. and over. and over. and over again until my fingers hurt so bad I couldn't play. And then when they felt better, I played it again....

i know the songs im studing by heart alredy
they are short and sweet only like 12 bars right now

i play twice and its memorized so learning to read becomes imposable

Originally Posted by guitarman531

Set yourself some longer-term goals. Like...say you want to have lesson three down by Christmas and see if you can do that. Don't get so caught up in the "now" or what you think you'll need. You're defeating yourself mentally before you even start.

Trust me and the other way more qualified musicians on this board that have said that it can't hurt you by knowing some basic standard notation.

to be honest my goal is more of next year holidays ....

[guitarman531]

You seem to be aware of your skill level and abilities and are setting goals for yourself.

Don't give up and don't compare yourself to others.

Who cares if I'd be quicker or someone else might be slower at learning the same thing as you're working on? Progress at your own pace and keep us updated. Learning the standard notation will be helpful in the long-run. You may not be able to imagine how it will help you, but--as a musician--you can't go wrong learning more about the basics of music.

Write down your goals and keep your focus on them. When it comes to how fast you achieve them, don't worry about anyone else...just be sure you're setting and meeting good goals (goals that take some work) and not cheating yourself.