[adamwagg]

According to a study in Australia based on our 96 gun buy back scheme, the decrease in firearms has reduced the number of suicides.

It is only a newspaper report, and I don't think the actual paper is published yet, but it provides some things to think about.

John Howard's gun legacy - 200 lives saved a year

I would have thought that people would have just committed suicide another way, but apparently not. Perhaps when you attempt with a gun you are pretty likely to succeed, where as otehr common ways less so - at which point you get the help you need after an attempted suicide.

Interested in other's thoughts.

[DaGeek]

That's an interesting find. I wonder if the two are related, and, if so, why? It seems weird to me, too, that someone suicidal would not find some other way to kill himself.

[Kentl]

Originally Posted by DaGeek

That's an interesting find. I wonder if the two are related, and, if so, why? It seems weird to me, too, that someone suicidal would not find some other way to kill himself.

The way I see it
Most see guns as quick and painless provided you use them right
And to an instant they are right

[Rainer.]

Originally Posted by DaGeek

That's an interesting find. I wonder if the two are related, and, if so, why? It seems weird to me, too, that someone suicidal would not find some other way to kill himself.

You can shoot yourself impulsively. Other methods require more premeditation, I'd suppose.

[slap_j]

It makes sense to me. Just because you're suicidal doesn't mean you've no sense of propriety or that you become reckless. And squeezing a trigger is much more convenient than contriving a makeshift gallows or opening a vein in a bathtub or whatever.

O boy...morbid.

[JerryLove]

I agree. Suicidal people are often on impulse, and firearms require less forethought and less follow-through than many other options; also, they have a reasonably high success rate.

What would be *really* interested is a gender-differentiated study. I'd bet it saves more men than women.

[DaGeek]

Originally Posted by JerryLove

I agree. Suicidal people are often on impulse, and firearms require less forethought and less follow-through than many other options; also, they have a reasonably high success rate.

What would be *really* interested is a gender-differentiated study. I'd bet it saves more men than women.

Ask and you shall receive!

Go to page 13 of the PDF file and it has suicide statistics for both men and women 1997-2006, with, as you figured, fewer men committing suicide than women.

[Kentl]

Originally Posted by DaGeek

Ask and you shall receive!

Go to page 13 of the PDF file and it has suicide statistics for both men and women 1997-2006, with, as you figured, fewer men committing suicide than women.

Umm he said more guys

[Rainer.]

Originally Posted by Kentl

Umm he said more guys

Saves more men. Therefore fewer men committing suicide.

[Kentl]

Originally Posted by Rainer.

Saves more men. Therefore fewer men committing suicide.

well i know why that is

(im ebign honest)

Grils have more emotions then guys (they are its proven dont get mad)
so its more eazy for a girl to get sucidal and go tough with it then a guy


plus girls seem to be more Action for lack of a bter word

when they are mad it gose to action more thne guys who will just yell or threating

[DaGeek]

Originally Posted by Kentl

well i know why that is

(im ebign honest)

Grils have more emotions then guys (they are its proven dont get mad)
so its more eazy for a girl to get sucidal and go tough with it then a guy


plus girls seem to be more Action for lack of a bter word

when they are mad it gose to action more thne guys who will just yell or threating

Incorrect.

Women are more likely to attempt suicide, but less likely to go through with it. Men, while not as likely to attempt it, are more likely to go through with it (I can try to find some source material if you'd like, but I've gone through many, many Suicide Awareness briefs in the last 8mo that all agree with me). So, while perhaps you are right that women get suicidal more easily, they're less likely to actually do the dirty deed and succeed.


EDIT: Source

From the source:

There are four male suicides for every female suicide, but three times as many females as males attempt suicide.

(These are statistics from the USA, not AUS, but I imagine it's similar.)

[Kentl]

Originally Posted by DaGeek

Incorrect.

Women are more likely to attempt suicide, but less likely to go through with it. Men, while not as likely to attempt it, are more likely to go through with it (I can try to find some source material if you'd like, but I've gone through many, many Suicide Awareness briefs in the last 8mo that all agree with me). So, while perhaps you are right that women get suicidal more easily, they're less likely to actually do the dirty deed and succeed.


EDIT: Source

From the source:



(These are statistics from the USA, not AUS, but I imagine it's similar.)

Okay i am so lost


so
sucides are down becuse no guns i under stand that

but men are saved more then women
yet more women atempt it?
or somehting like that

[DaGeek]

Originally Posted by Kentl

Okay i am so lost


so
sucides are down becuse no guns i under stand that

but men are saved more then women
yet more women atempt it?
or somehting like that

Basically, from my understanding, it's as follows:

Overall, before and after said ban, women were/are more likely to commit suicide than men. Men, though, were/are more likely to succeed when they did/do attempt it, hence why more men actually commit suicide than women. In Australia, apparently firearms were a common way for men to commit suicide. Once men could no longer use firearms to commit suicide, their suicide rates dropped. There are still more male suicides than female, but it's dropped significantly from previous rates .

[JerryLove]

Originally Posted by Kentl

Okay i am so lost

so
sucides are down becuse no guns i under stand that

but men are saved more then women
yet more women atempt it?
or somehting like that

I suspect that more men (successfully) use firearms as their mode of suicide than women. Given that, removing firearms would results in a greater reduction amongst men (who successfully use them more) than among women.

Though it's possible that other factors come into play: hence my uncertainty.

As a general rule of thumb:
- More women attempt suicide than men.
- A greater percentage of men succeed.
- The resulting actual rate of (successful) suicide is about the same for both genders.

but, they do not (generally) choose the same methods.

[normajean777]

Couldn't this also have come as a result of a generally happier society?