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Unread 08-18-2010, 03:01 PM   #31
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Gibsons are made in the US, epis are made in the far east. (well, currently, epis used to be us made way back when, but that is the general rule.) I am a big fan of used though... A Gibson semihollow or hollow would probably run you about a grand at the least, probably 1200. Sometimes I see them cheaper.

I wonder if a keyboard amp and a POD XTLive is not what you want amp wise. (you can record into a computer with it and it would give you a pretty decent tone into a keyboard amp.)

Interesting! The pod works with the computer but also as a pre amp for an amp ha? I'm usually kind of a minimalist. In my last band all I played was clean or distortion. I didn't futz with chorus, vibrato or anything like that. Although I can see they have their place. To me, some people overused them and tried to build a song around a certain sound. I never liked that. I wrote songs clean and then just did them up with the band. BUT, tasteful use of effects can go a long way. And something I may have to consider.

Does this pod thing work with an acoustic, or no.

And oh yeah, what would happen if you bought an acoustic amp and played a hollow body through it? Or even a solid electric for that matter?

You guys have been really great helping me with this. It really means a lot to me. More than I could just say. You guys and my wife are the only ones that know that I'm diving back into all this. Well, and a drummer I used to play in church with who live a thousand miles away.

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Unread 08-18-2010, 03:06 PM   #32
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POD works with acoustic just fine.

Playing any electric guitar through an acoustic amp works, and there's a particular sort of clean, open sound you get from doing that (a lot of jazz guys like to play their electric guitars through acoustic amps). It doesn't play well with any sort of grit or overdrive, though, unless you run it through an electric guitar amplifier simulator (like the POD) first.
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Yeah, that looks like what I might want. Anybody have any experience with these. There's probably another forum for this, eh? I'll have a looksee.

OK, so I was on the gibson website looking at the epiphones again. The dot has a studio model that is really cheap. That makes me worry, but maybe it's good. Then there is the normal Dot, the Lucille, Casino, Riviera, and Emporer II. And oh yeah, the ES-175 Reissue. They all seem like they'd be in my price range. I don't know how quality is though. Where are these epiphones made? I'm interested in this wilshire too. They have a custom model that is made in Tennesse that is like 4 grand. I'm guessing these other ones are made overseas, which I'm not completey crazy about.

I think the Ricks and Gretsch's are out of my price range for now.
Epiphones are made in China and have been for a few years now (with few exceptions). Older Epis were made in Korea (for the most part) and even older models (1970s and prior) were made in America. Others, like the older Elitist electrics, were made in Japan.
Gibsons are all domestic/U.S. made.
Quality on the Epis is ok with some being better than others, the Masterbuilt acoustics being some of the best I've ever played, the Elitist electrics being very good, but none of them can be fairly compared to their American-made counterparts, which, aside from an occasional production flaw, are top notch instruments, imho.
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Unread 08-18-2010, 03:31 PM   #34
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OK, I'll just toss this out there. A really clean electric amp will allow you to play an acoustic and not sound totally bad. By clean I mean something like a Roland JC120 kind of clean. Even that is a compromise. If you had to only have one amp you could do much worse than a Jazz Chorus. This really isn't that big of a deal, however, because if a venue doesn't have a PA to plug into it's not going to be loud enough to worry about amplification anyway.
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If only we all had tons of dough and could by whatever we want. hehehehe. Well, that's not God's plan for me. But then again, I don't think obsessing over what to get is either. Hehehehe. I haven't reached that point yet and I keep praying that I don't go there. I do feel the more info I have, the more knowledgeable I will be to buy. And I'm learning and relearning so much in a short period of time. It's almost a little mind numbing. Guitars, amps, preamps, etc etc. I am learning though. I do feel like I almost need to simplify it all somehow. But I don't know if that's possible. I guess patience is the key.

I don't like that the epi's are made in China. I wouldn't want to buy one without looking but I don't know if I want to pay american prices. For new at least. Used might be my friend in this case.
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If only we all had tons of dough and could by whatever we want. hehehehe. Well, that's not God's plan for me. But then again, I don't think obsessing over what to get is either. Hehehehe. I haven't reached that point yet and I keep praying that I don't go there. I do feel the more info I have, the more knowledgeable I will be to buy. And I'm learning and relearning so much in a short period of time. It's almost a little mind numbing. Guitars, amps, preamps, etc etc. I am learning though. I do feel like I almost need to simplify it all somehow. But I don't know if that's possible. I guess patience is the key.

I don't like that the epi's are made in China. I wouldn't want to buy one without looking but I don't know if I want to pay american prices. For new at least. Used might be my friend in this case.
I will be selling an LP studio next week in black for around $500.
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I will be selling an LP studio next week in black for around $500.
I played on for a while, back in the day, and liked it very much. But I was playing much heavier music. I don't know if it would lend itself to a clean sound very well. The thought did hit me I wonder if that sound would kind of mellow out if you put single coils in it? Sounds like heresay, eh?
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I played on for a while, back in the day, and liked it very much. But I was playing much heavier music. I don't know if it would lend itself to a clean sound very well. The thought did hit me I wonder if that sound would kind of mellow out if you put single coils in it? Sounds like heresay, eh?
I've been playing Les Pauls since 1982 and I LOVE their clean sound.
You have to remember that the guitar was designed and built at a time when overdrive and distortion did not exist and the LP was more a jazz and pop guitar than a rock axe.
It wasn't until Jeff Beck and Eric Clapton and Peter Green and Mike Bloomfield started cranking them through overdriven tube amps did the Les Paul become known as a great heavy rock guitar.

I was playing a 1960 Les Paul Special reissue today (w/ a HUGE beefy neck and P90s) through a Vox AC30 and it was pure tone heaven...
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I played on for a while, back in the day, and liked it very much. But I was playing much heavier music. I don't know if it would lend itself to a clean sound very well. The thought did hit me I wonder if that sound would kind of mellow out if you put single coils in it? Sounds like heresay, eh?
I wouldn't do true single coils in one... (well other than conversion p90s, I have done that...)

But remember whose name is on the headstock. Seriously, I need to put pickups in it, so if you were interested, I could put whatever type you wanted in there. I was planning on a Seymour Duncan JB in the bridge, and I hadn't decided on the neck pickup yet.


I could put in milder bridge pickups as well.
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I don't have that much cash yet. I'm going to sell one of my pistols to fund it. I have some of it but need more. Are you a gun guy?

I may have to rethink my attitude towards les pauls. I have to admit, the amp I remember playing it through was a peavy 100 watt solid state head with a 4 x 12 bottom. There may be a reason it was so "strong" sounding. hehehehehe. I got to thinking about what it might sound like through a smaller amp and thought there could be some possibilities. I'm not sure I'm in love with the shape and weight though. Most of my playing is sitting down now. I gotta get a good stool too for at home. But the other thing about a LP is it seems kind of neck heavy and chunky. I do favor the more thin feel of all of the fenders. Maybe I'll have to go play a LP at a store to see what I think.
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More in keeping with the originial post, I found this past weekend being very frustrated with how every guitar store I went into in New Hampshire (I was on vacation) had poorly set up guitars in them. Example: I grab an American Strat for $1600, I tune it up and play a cord and it is out of tune. So I double check, open low E string is in perfect tune, then I play a G note (3rd fret) and my tuner reads it as half way between A and A flat.

How can you shop or see how a guitar really sounds when you can't even get it tuned? Very frustrating.
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I don't have that much cash yet. I'm going to sell one of my pistols to fund it. I have some of it but need more. Are you a gun guy?

I may have to rethink my attitude towards les pauls. I have to admit, the amp I remember playing it through was a peavy 100 watt solid state head with a 4 x 12 bottom. There may be a reason it was so "strong" sounding. hehehehehe. I got to thinking about what it might sound like through a smaller amp and thought there could be some possibilities. I'm not sure I'm in love with the shape and weight though. Most of my playing is sitting down now. I gotta get a good stool too for at home. But the other thing about a LP is it seems kind of neck heavy and chunky. I do favor the more thin feel of all of the fenders. Maybe I'll have to go play a LP at a store to see what I think.
Gibson LPs are generally made in two very different neck profiles, the fatter "50s" neck and the slimmer "60s" neck. You can probably check online to see what era guitars had what profile on the necks.
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Gibson LPs are generally made in two very different neck profiles, the fatter "50s" neck and the slimmer "60s" neck. You can probably check online to see what era guitars had what profile on the necks.
And I have never met a neck heavy LP. Boat anchor heavy, yes. Neck heavy? That would be SG's and firebirds mostly. And actual 60's necks kind of come in both...

My '64 melody maker is thinner than any '60s neck I have played. My '67 melody maker sg has a '50s neck profile if we were to compare it to the current schema, and my 1951 has somewhere on the slimmer side of middle ground between the two...
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More in keeping with the originial post, I found this past weekend being very frustrated with how every guitar store I went into in New Hampshire (I was on vacation) had poorly set up guitars in them. Example: I grab an American Strat for $1600, I tune it up and play a cord and it is out of tune. So I double check, open low E string is in perfect tune, then I play a G note (3rd fret) and my tuner reads it as half way between A and A flat.

How can you shop or see how a guitar really sounds when you can't even get it tuned? Very frustrating.
I don't get it either. I find that to be the case everywhere I go. Although with some of these bigger places with lots of people handling them, I can understand. But the first place I went to, there was a guy there very involved and I would think he would've had a better handle on it. He went and tuned one for me and it still wasn't in tune. It may be that they don't really set them up properly until you buy. Because this guy kept telling me they do a set up AFTER you buy it if you're not happy with it. I think that probably means they don't set it up at all. Or maybe some and not others. I don't know. I know also though if I play a guitar with bigger frets, it is hard for me to be completely in tune with every chord I play. Just too much bend. Especially when they have super thin strings on it.
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And I have never met a neck heavy LP. Boat anchor heavy, yes. Neck heavy? That would be SG's and firebirds mostly. And actual 60's necks kind of come in both...

My '64 melody maker is thinner than any '60s neck I have played. My '67 melody maker sg has a '50s neck profile if we were to compare it to the current schema, and my 1951 has somewhere on the slimmer side of middle ground between the two...
Maybe I'm not remembering correctly. It's one style I haven't played yet recently, so... I guess I have to now. hehehehe
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