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Unread 10-02-2010, 08:24 PM   #181
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I was at an AWANA conference most of the day today and by the time I got out, I was on the prowl for a guitar store to go to. All of the individually owned ones were already closed, so I went to Best Buy. It wasn't as bad as that other place, I forget the name, Guitar Center or whatever, but some of the strings on the guitars were downright dirty and gritty. That's just nasty. Many of the guitars were not set up properly. I played a jaguar that had about an inch between the fricking strings and the fret board at the last fret. It was just stupid.

I did play a casino and a sheraton by Epi. I actually liked the sound of the casino. And I liked the Sheraton very well too. I think I preferred the sound of the casino though. My issue with it was the frets. I would get bending very easy. But they also seem to be putting on super light gauge strings on these guitars. But I would consider one of these. The sheraton felt really nice. And it was like $459. I think it would actually be a guitar to consider. It wasn't heavy, even though it was big. I don't really like the gold pups and hardware, but I liked everything else about it. I don't know if I was totally crazy about the sound, but I think it could work. Like I said, I think the Casino had more of the sound that I wanted. Those P90's just are creamy smooth to me. Maybe coupled with the completely hollow body, which I like, it's nice and light. This one was also pretty, (blonde).

The teles were an interesting mix. I played a Squier classic vibe, a Highway one, Deluxe 72 RI, and a Standard MIA. Weirdly enough, the Squier classic vibe had the nicest feel to me. But the MIA had the best sound. It wasn't twangy at all comparitively. It had a tinge of it, but I think I could've worked with that one sound wise. But this was another example of a horribly set up guitar, and I don't know how it would've felt properly set up. The action was real high and it just felt, slow. The Squier Classic vibe actually felt the best. It had a rosewood neck and the action was good, but that thing was so twangy sounding, comparitively. You can tell the difference between the USA and this one in sound completely. The RI 72 played nice. I could've lived with that one I think. What is really weird to me though is I think that one actually had a little more twang than the MIA with the single coils. Go figure, the WR buckers more twangy. I'm not sure how that worked out. But it's sort of a different twang. The neck pick up was real nice sounding. The frets were a little high but I think liveable. The highway one felt yucky to me. I was not excited about it. The frets were really really high on that one.

I played a mexican Strat that actually felt good. And it sure sounded like a strat. Which is not what I want. Played nice though. And I played a duo sonic. That thing was light as a feather. Surprisingly, it sounded better than the Squier Classic Vibe tele. But felt like it was 2 lbs less. You can tell the quality isn't all that great either. Plus I hit the lower pup selector switch.

So..... I'm one step closer to not knowing what the heck I want. I can see why everyone needs more than one electric guitar. I might just have to live with that thought and start with something. I do know this, I'm probably not going to buy from some box store. I think the smaller, independent shops take more care in how their guitars are set up. And not having bugers on the strings. I think a tele with a right sound could work. I think one of these epi's could possibly work, but I'm still concerned about the longevity of the quality. I think if I had to settle for a nice playing strat and move the pups how I want, that wouldn't be the worst thing in the world either.

I still want to try a mustang.


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Unread 10-09-2010, 05:04 PM   #182
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OK, I've come full circle. I want a vanilla tele. A mexican would probably do just fine. If I can't get the sound I want out of it, I'm sure I can tweek it with something. But, the playability is absolutely what I want. If I could find one with smaller frets, I'd probably be happy. We'll see. I played one today that if the shop wasn't closing up, I might have bought it. I might still. I still think there might be another tele out there that suits me just a hair better though. Yep, vanilla tele it is. They just fit me right. I guess that's why I played them in the old days.

I do have to figure out if I want to try and pony up for an American or just go with a mexican. I played an American today and I liked it. However, I don't know if I liked it $540 more.

I guess that is a good question to ask, is it worth it?
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OK, I've come full circle. I want a vanilla tele. A mexican would probably do just fine. If I can't get the sound I want out of it, I'm sure I can tweek it with something. But, the playability is absolutely what I want. If I could find one with smaller frets, I'd probably be happy. We'll see. I played one today that if the shop wasn't closing up, I might have bought it. I might still. I still think there might be another tele out there that suits me just a hair better though. Yep, vanilla tele it is. They just fit me right. I guess that's why I played them in the old days.

I do have to figure out if I want to try and pony up for an American or just go with a mexican. I played an American today and I liked it. However, I don't know if I liked it $540 more.

I guess that is a good question to ask, is it worth it?
Im going to say some of the nicest I ever played were a batch of highway ones. Thats where I personally would start looking. I also think with a good pickup set and a tone knob, you can get almost anything out of a tele.
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Im going to say some of the nicest I ever played were a batch of highway ones. Thats where I personally would start looking. I also think with a good pickup set and a tone knob, you can get almost anything out of a tele.
Well, I have you to thank for opening my mind to the tone knob. Hehehehe. I never used to use it. So, thank you. I think even if I can't get the sound I want out of the stock pickups, I could try buying custom shop pups or american if I buy a mexican.

The only thing I don't like about the Highway one models are I think they have jumbo frets. I'll give it a look though. I've only played one, and that was at best buy. The action was so high, I didn't get a feel for how it was. The interesting thing is that most of the mexicans I've played, so far have felt the most consistent and playable. I haven't played a lot of American made, but a few, and I don't know if I really think they're worth the difference. But, they might be. So, I may have to play a few more. Problem is, I don't have that kind of money yet to buy an American. I can probably get it eventually though. So that will be my next level of dilemma. There's always something. But, I'm glad I've narrowed it down to this. I suppose something could happen and change my mind. I still think a good Hollow Body could possibly work, but for some reason I think I'd be happier with a tele. It just feels so good and right. Maybe that could be my next guitar someday. I guess the dark horse might be a mustang, since I've never played one, but I think the sound of a tele is going to be better.

This is the one I played today and I'm thinking about buying. This one has been on my mind for a while too. I like the colors. Or lack of it I should say.



Another thing you sold me Bill, is to probably not get a Black top series. I actually have liked the ones I've played. In fact, the store that has this white one has a red blacktop one I'd like. But, plugged in, I think I actually preferred the single coils for some reason. I could probably make the blacktop one work too. The upside to the blacktops is it has rosewood necks, which I like, and the body is actually contoured in the back, like a deluxe tele. But even though it's comfy, I think I prefer the normal, blocky profile, because it kind of brings the body away from my stomach. I'm skinny and the guitar can get kind of lost in my non gut and be on too much of an angle when sitting.

Anyways, that's my thoughts for now.

Bill, you think the Americans are worth that much more than the mexi's? I hear a lot of people happy with their mexicans, but I don't know if the pros would say the same thing or not. If that matters or not, I know not. I guess there could be a longevity issue. Meaning do the americans last longer?

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Well, I have you to thank for opening my mind to the tone knob. Hehehehe. I never used to use it. So, thank you. I think even if I can't get the sound I want out of the stock pickups, I could try buying custom shop pups or american if I buy a mexican.

The only thing I don't like about the Highway one models are I think they have jumbo frets. I'll give it a look though. I've only played one, and that was at best buy. The action was so high, I didn't get a feel for how it was. The interesting thing is that most of the mexicans I've played, so far have felt the most consistent and playable. I haven't played a lot of American made, but a few, and I don't know if I really think they're worth the difference. But, they might be. So, I may have to play a few more. Problem is, I don't have that kind of money yet to buy an American. I can probably get it eventually though. So that will be my next level of dilemma. There's always something. But, I'm glad I've narrowed it down to this. I suppose something could happen and change my mind. I still think a good Hollow Body could possibly work, but for some reason I think I'd be happier with a tele. It just feels so good and right. Maybe that could be my next guitar someday. I guess the dark horse might be a mustang, since I've never played one, but I think the sound of a tele is going to be better.

This is the one I played today and I'm thinking about buying. This one has been on my mind for a while too. I like the colors. Or lack of it I should say.



Another thing you sold me Bill, is to probably not get a Black top series. I actually have liked the ones I've played. In fact, the store that has this white one has a red blacktop one I'd like. But, plugged in, I think I actually preferred the single coils for some reason. I could probably make the blacktop one work too. The upside to the blacktops is it has rosewood necks, which I like, and the body is actually contoured in the back, like a deluxe tele. But even though it's comfy, I think I prefer the normal, blocky profile, because it kind of brings the body away from my stomach. I'm skinny and the guitar can get kind of lost in my non gut and be on too much of an angle when sitting.

Anyways, that's my thoughts for now.

Bill, you think the Americans are worth that much more than the mexi's? I hear a lot of people happy with their mexicans, but I don't know if the pros would say the same thing or not. If that matters or not, I know not. I guess there could be a longevity issue. Meaning do the americans last longer?

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I will keep that in mind. I'm still not sure if I want to save up for an American. Part of me really wants to. Just because it's american made. And I could tell a difference in sound at the store the other day. I guess I'll have to keep playing to find the right one. Hehehe

I have to get some fret work done on my acoustic also. That's going to cut into the budget. The first two frets are pretty wore down, right at the 1st, 2nd and 3rd string. Like, they might need to be replaced. Now I have that dilemma. Do I have the work done, or just buy a new one. I think I like it enough to stick some money into it. Plus, it kind of has some sentimental value. Plus my custom painted flower. Hehehe

So.... I wish I was made of money. Well, who doesn't.
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I will keep that in mind. I'm still not sure if I want to save up for an American. Part of me really wants to. Just because it's american made. And I could tell a difference in sound at the store the other day. I guess I'll have to keep playing to find the right one. Hehehe

I have to get some fret work done on my acoustic also. That's going to cut into the budget. The first two frets are pretty wore down, right at the 1st, 2nd and 3rd string. Like, they might need to be replaced. Now I have that dilemma. Do I have the work done, or just buy a new one. I think I like it enough to stick some money into it. Plus, it kind of has some sentimental value. Plus my custom painted flower. Hehehe

So.... I wish I was made of money. Well, who doesn't.
Have you considered a USA Made peavey generations? Mine is a real tele killer. It is usa made and has the same formula as an old school fender. It has the benefit of costing 200 with 101 in new pickups in there.

Personally, that is one way to do it. MIMs are good guitars too, and if you find one that you really like and plays well, why not?

And 3 new frets should not run too very much
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One guitar place is saying about $15 per fret, but that's not including any sanding or whatever you call it. Recrowning?

I had a peavey once. I didn't mind it, but I liked the mexi teles I had better for some reason. It may be that I am being seduced by the name, but I seemed to like the sound a bit better too. And the feel.
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One guitar place is saying about $15 per fret, but that's not including any sanding or whatever you call it. Recrowning?

I had a peavey once. I didn't mind it, but I liked the mexi teles I had better for some reason. It may be that I am being seduced by the name, but I seemed to like the sound a bit better too. And the feel.
The reactor series I fully agree. And really, talking pickup swaps, both would be largely within the parameters of each other, as the woods used are roughly the same.

Poplar/maple for my generations, which is a classic fender formula. The USA generations series are one to try if you see one locally. You might be stunned. I have been almost seduce by the fender name a few times, going so far as buying some high dollar teles, but the generations always wins. Debating throwing a new bridge pickup in it though. (Lollar BS)

Yeah, you will probably need the frets leveled and crowned if you are getting new frets.
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I was looking at them today and I don't think they're as bad as I thought. I think they can just be filed, to make them nice. I could probably get away with doing nothing anyways. But, I'll have someone look at it and see what they say.
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I played another mexi tele yesterday that was pretty alright with me. But it was used and the guy wanted $450. I can buy a new one for that price. I think he thought it was special because it was "mint green" or something. But the quality seemed to be very similar as all the other mexi teles. I'm telling you, they feel like the most consistent guitar I've played. This one had a little bit fatter neck than some though. Which was fine with me.
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I played another mexi tele yesterday that was pretty alright with me. But it was used and the guy wanted $450. I can buy a new one for that price. I think he thought it was special because it was "mint green" or something. But the quality seemed to be very similar as all the other mexi teles. I'm telling you, they feel like the most consistent guitar I've played. This one had a little bit fatter neck than some though. Which was fine with me.
Some highway ones I have seen were inconsistent in a good way. They blew the curve. I mean seriously smoking some custom shop fenders. I have no bias whatever new to used as far as which is better.Personally, I have played a lot of teles and some of the Mexican ones are as fine as anything the US put out. If you find one of those, snatch it up.

Older MIMs can be a little dicier. Personally, I'd stick to the last 5 years or so looking at Mexi teles. Their quality control had a shakeup, I forget when, but in a good way.

I'd say if you think you want a mexi tele, go for it, but look for one that plays like butter, because they are absolutely out there.
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Thanks for the input. I'm pretty much sold on one, it's just a matter of finding the right one. I want to play a 60's player version first, because it's got vintage frets and rosewood fretboard, but I actually like the new saddles and bridges more than the older. I think those 2 string saddles are weird, seems like they wouldn't have that good of an intonation adjustment. And that metal that sticks out kind of bugs me. So, I may be better off with the regular anyways. What do you think of the older style saddles?
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Thanks for the input. I'm pretty much sold on one, it's just a matter of finding the right one. I want to play a 60's player version first, because it's got vintage frets and rosewood fretboard, but I actually like the new saddles and bridges more than the older. I think those 2 string saddles are weird, seems like they wouldn't have that good of an intonation adjustment. And that metal that sticks out kind of bugs me. So, I may be better off with the regular anyways. What do you think of the older style saddles?
Me, I think I have seen guys I was playing with stop mid service and need stitches from those... The way I strum, I am okay, but a little squeamish of them after seeing that. I strongly dislike the 2 string per saddle thing too. It seems to be a problem to me on the middle saddle.
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