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Unread 09-04-2010, 07:04 PM   #136
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I'm never ever going back there.

There was a silver lining though. I went to a store BEFORE going to the guitar center. They had a really good choice of guitars, and I would've liked to spend more time there, but I spent quite a bit of time in one spot. Where they had the Gretsch's. I am really really liking the Gretsch's I played. I guess they make 3 lines. The Chinese/korean models, the Japanese and then American. They had some of all. Well, I think they had one American. But the ones I mostly played were the chinese ones. And I have to say, these were the nicest guitars I have played so far. Well, they FELT that way. I've played some pretty good fenders in the recent past too, but these ones just really felt right to me. And so is the price. I played three or 4 and liked them all.


This one was my favorite. They wanted 5 bills for this one. I could do without the bigsby though. Although I hear it makes it sound a little different. But it had smaller profile frets (which I want) than this one:

They only wanted 4 bills for this one. And strangely enough, I didn't hit the switch at all on these. But I did on the LP's I played at the Guitar center.

I didn't plug any of these Gretsch's in though. I also played a couple of hollow body gretschs at Guitar center and I liked them just fine too. These ones pictured I liked the best though.

However, I didn't plug them in. If I go back there, I will next time. So far, these have been my favorite guitars to play and the price was right. I played a Firebird at this place too and I liked it, and it had a really cool feeling , but that shape sort of bothered my strumming arm. Picked it up higher when I rested it on there and It felt really awkward.

I will say this though, I did like one Epiphone LP at Guitar center and I seem to be favoring that shape and size. BUT, I hit the switch on that one and I don't know if I could live a LP unless I figure out how to mod that switch.

Any comments are welcome.

But please folks, don't go into guitar centers, it's just craziness!!!

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Make sure you try the SG standing and strapped up. They're super neck heavy, which is a huge turn-off for me, Let 'em go, and the headstock will take a nosedive to the ground.

Are you sure that's a Gibson Faded? I'm pretty sure that the Gibson Faded series all have satin finishes, and that one looks pretty glossy.
No, sorry if I explained this wrong. That was the super cheap epiphone, I think it was called a special. What I was meaning was that I played a "faded" one and I swear this cheap one felt 10 times better. It was just weird.

I forgot to say this, the wilshire is completely out. I hit that switch almost every time I strum. They had some cool looking ones, but those also were the worst set up of the bunch. They were SUPER high. I bet Guitar center slaps a tag on every one of these guitars and doesn't even tune or think about setting them up.

Good tip on the strapped up. However, I don't plan on playing standing much. Even at church one guitarist stands and there is a chair for another. Or they keep telling me I can sit on the front row and play with them. It's a small church.

Oh yeah, I forgot to post this. Have anybody seen one of these:



This was just a regular ole mexi tele with humbuckers. And the humbuckers looked more like ones you'd see on a LP or Gibson or whatever. Different than the ones they put on the 72 RI's. Totally different animal and I've never seen it on the Fender site. I liked it. I think the guy called it a "blacktop" model. And claimed it was brand brand new.

Next time I have someone take pics of something interesting, I'll try and remember to move my arm so you guys can get a better look.

Thanks for you input guys, I really appreciate it! I still don't know what I'm going to do yet, but I think I'm closer.

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Unread 09-06-2010, 04:49 AM   #137
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But please folks, don't go into guitar centers, it's just craziness!!!
HA! I've been going there for 23 years and every visit is some kind of "experience", especially the times when I visit on a weekday afternoon.
It's like a circus...

btw: that Tele has a reversed control plate w/ the switch in the back and the volume and tone controls swapped. I wonder if that's part of the package?
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HA! I've been going there for 23 years and every visit is some kind of "experience", especially the times when I visit on a weekday afternoon.
It's like a circus...

btw: that Tele has a reversed control plate w/ the switch in the back and the volume and tone controls swapped. I wonder if that's part of the package?
Good catch. I didn't even think of that. This store that had it seemed pretty well sorted out. I suppose it's possible either the factory sent it wrong, or they messed with it, or that's the way it's supposed to be. I actually like it that way. I really need to go back and plug that one in. (I don't like the colors though, I wonder if I could swap a white pickguard on there.) Along with the others. And then play a few more. Like some more SG's and LP's.

I should've took a picture of it also, but there was a strat, light blue, that had that same set up. Two normal ole looking humbuckers. Not the tele humbuckers on the RI's. I thought it was weird because I've never seen it before.

About the guitar center, do people really buy guitars from there? I couldn't here myself think. They just seemed cheesy. Like the Chuck e Cheese of guitar stores.
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Good catch. I didn't even think of that. This store that had it seemed pretty well sorted out. I suppose it's possible either the factory sent it wrong, or they messed with it, or that's the way it's supposed to be. I actually like it that way.
I believe some are made that way and it's also a somewhat popular mod as is the 4 way switch mod.

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About the guitar center, do people really buy guitars from there? I couldn't here myself think. They just seemed cheesy. Like the Chuck e Cheese of guitar stores.
Sure, I've purchased lots of stuff there over the years, but that's back when it was convenient to go there for me.
Now, my nearest GC is almost an hour away and I've got a few other local options that will match or beat GC's prices, so I rarely go.
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I sometimes like to think of guitarcenter as a good place just to test stuff out. Everything is already blaring anyway, so I don't feel bad cranking a pro junior just to see how it feels at loud volumes. When I'm at small mom n' pop stores I feel awkward cranking stuff as there are usually only a few people in there if any at all.

...But yes I do buy stuff there. Not guitars I guess, but if you get there at the right time you can get some really good deals on used pedals (IE just got an m9 for $250 )
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Unread 09-06-2010, 11:38 AM   #141
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I bought my last guitar off the used rack at GC near downtown Seattle. It was a USA Peavey that had a nice neck and pretty solid feel that had absolute junk electronics, got it at a good price, and spent one afternoon fixing the electronics up, and now I got a solid back up guitar.
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Yeh, as much as other loud people are annoying, that means I can test things a little louder too. I try to go mornings or early afternoons during the week, it's much less crowded. My biggest complaint is that nothing there is setup right, everything is out of tune, (and my huge pet peeve) all the strings are dead. The last time I went, I pulled 7-10 guitars off the wall that I really wanted to play (all decent guitars, nothing cheap), and all of them had strings so dead that I couldn't even make myself play them...
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Yeah, I did notice that their prices are good. And they had quite the selection. And I could see buying pedals and things like that there. But it is just a no fun experience for me to even go in there. I guess I need to loosen up. Hehehehe I still probably won't go back there. It's a LONG way for me and the extra 40 bucks probably wouldn't be enough to dissuade me. Especially like Ibanezdude said, those guitars just aren't taken very well care of and it's hard to know what you think of it. I guess if you think there is something that once you clean it up and put new strings on it you'd like, and set it up properly, then it's a good thing, but I'm not that good yet. I like the more boutique places I guess.

And someone linked me the Fender "blacktop series" announcement. They're like brand new. Here it is:
http://newmusicgear.wordpress.com/20...eries-guitars/

I don't know why that link isn't working, I'll just copy and paste article
New Fender Black Top Series Guitars
Posted August 5, 2010 by johnmalkes in Fender, Guitars. Tagged: Fender, Blacktop, Black Top, Jaguar, Jazzmaster, Telecaster, Stratocaster. Leave a Comment

The long awaited and debated Black Top guitars are here. Fender is releasing, sometime in September, 4 new guitars. They are all body styles we know and love: the Telecaster, Stratocaster, Jazzmaster, and Jaguar (pictured below in this order). If the street price that is rumored is correct, $450, then we can expect them to take off.



Telecaster HH – The Telecaster features an Alder body, maple neck, and a rosewood or maple fretboard. The bridge pickup is a Hot Vintage Alnico, and the neck pickup is a Hot Vintage Alnico, both are nickel covered and humbuckers. Fretboard Radius is 9.5″ and has 22 Medium Jumbo frets. 3 position pickup switch. Available in Black, Candy Apple Red, and Silver, with Black pick guard.

Stratocaster – The Stratocaster features an Alder body, maple neck, and a rosewood or maple fretboard. The bridge pickup is a Hot Vintage Alnico, and the neck pickup is a Hot Vintage Alnico, both are nickel covered and humbuckers. Fretboard Radius is 9.5″ and has 22 Medium Jumbo frets. 5 position pickup switch. Position 1 is just the bridge humbucker, position 2 is both pickups, but just the inner single coils. Position 3 is both humbuckers in full. Position 4 is just the outer single coil in the neck. Position 5 is the neck humbucker. Available in Black, Candy Apple Red, and Sonic Blue with either a Black or Mint Green pick guard.

Jazzmaster – The Jazzmaster features an Alder body, maple neck, and a rosewood fretboard. The bridge pickup is a Ducan Designed Humbucker, and the neck pickup is a Jazzmaster Single coil pickup. Fretboard Radius is 9.5″ and has 21 Medium Jumbo frets. 3 position pickup switch. American Vintage Jazzmaster Tremolo with Adjusto-Matic bridge and Tremolo lock button. Available in 3-color Sunburst and Black, with either a Black or Mint Green pick guard.

Jaguar – The Jaguar features an Alder body, maple neck, and a rosewood fretboard. The bridge pickup is a Hot Vintage Alnico, and the neck pickup is a Hot Vintage Alnico, both are nickel covered and humbuckers. Fretboard Radius is 9.5″ and has 22 Medium Jumbo frets. 3 position pickup switch. Adjusto-Matic bridge with anchored tail piece. Available in Silver and Black, with either a black or mint green pick guard.

I will be excited to try these out, as I am sure many others will be. With a September launch, it will be a while, but if someone gets a hold of one before I can post and say my experience with them, please share. I will be doing a follow up on each of the guitars separately as I get a chance to play them.

I like the option on the strat. I may have to check that one out also.

And the price is right. On the tele I picked up and played for a bit, it felt pretty good.

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I think at this point I've narrowed down my search in my mind. After listening to 7k youtube videos of people playing, and what I've played so far, my list is narrowed down to:

SG with P90's (or buckers) or a Tele with humbuckers. And I'm definitely leaning more towards the SG, just because I've never had one, and I've like the ones I played. It pretty much fits all of my requirements, besides the fact that I don't like the way it looks. I think I'm getting over that now. Plus, I like the look of the wood over paint for some reason at this point. Although I would still consider a painted SG. But you see more in a wood tone with some kind of finish over it.

Those are the two on top of my list.

I will also consider
Strat with 2 humbuckers or something other than the 3 single coils
Gibson Melody Maker with 2 pups (have yet to play one or even see one on for that matter)
Les Paul "Special" double cut with P90's
PRS of some sort
An Epiphone Casino

The challenge will be finding an SG in my range, if it's going to be a Gibby. I know I can afford a tele with buckers. We'll see who wins out first. I'm at home right now instead of church because I'm under the weather. But if I get out today and play something, I'll update anyone who is interested. Thanks for the advice guys!!!!!!

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I think at this point I've narrowed down my search in my mind. After listening to 7k youtube videos of people playing, and what I've played so far, my list is narrowed down to:

SG with P90's (or buckers) or a Tele with humbuckers. And I'm definitely leaning more towards the SG, just because I've never had one, and I've like the ones I played. It pretty much fits all of my requirements, besides the fact that I don't like the way it looks. I think I'm getting over that now. Plus, I like the look of the wood over paint for some reason at this point. Although I would still consider a painted SG. But you see more in a wood tone with some kind of finish over it.

Those are the two on top of my list.

I will also consider
Strat with 2 humbuckers or something other than the 3 single coils
Gibson Melody Maker with 2 pups (have yet to play one or even see one on for that matter)
Les Paul "Special" double cut with P90's
PRS of some sort
An Epiphone Casino

The challenge will be finding an SG in my range, if it's going to be a Gibby. I know I can afford a tele with buckers. We'll see who wins out first. I'm at home right now instead of church because I'm under the weather. But if I get out today and play something, I'll update anyone who is interested. Thanks for the advice guys!!!!!!

He is risen indeed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Prayers for better health are welcomed. And if I can pray for anyone, feel free to ask.
The sg specials or fadeds tend to run around $450 used.

Personally, I'd HIGHLY reccomend a real Gibson for an SG.

Idea 2.1

Melody maker sg from the 60's-70's.

Those often have single coils, but... can go pretty cheap. and they are not neck heavy.
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The sg specials or fadeds tend to run around $450 used.

Personally, I'd HIGHLY reccomend a real Gibson for an SG.

Idea 2.1

Melody maker sg from the 60's-70's.

Those often have single coils, but... can go pretty cheap. and they are not neck heavy.
Awww geez Bill, you're always giving me something more to research!!! Hehehhe. Actually, thank you HIGHLY for the input. I appreciate it.

I fondled a brand new faded at guitar center, but it felt awful to me. I think it needed a good set up. It wasn't all that expensive. But it felt like a brick in my hands. Hopefully, they all don't feel like that. But I played 3 or 4 epiphone SG's there and I liked the way the felt really well. Like I said, that super cheapy one was not bad at all.

Does the "Special" SG have only 2 knobs or 4? The faded has 4, correct. I'd prefer the 4 obviously. I'll have to look up these "melody maker SG's". That could be an interesting proposition. I've never seen one personally.
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Awww geez Bill, you're always giving me something more to research!!! Hehehhe. Actually, thank you HIGHLY for the input. I appreciate it.

I fondled a brand new faded at guitar center, but it felt awful to me. I think it needed a good set up. It wasn't all that expensive. But it felt like a brick in my hands. Hopefully, they all don't feel like that. But I played 3 or 4 epiphone SG's there and I liked the way the felt really well. Like I said, that super cheapy one was not bad at all.

Does the "Special" SG have only 2 knobs or 4? The faded has 4, correct. I'd prefer the 4 obviously. I'll have to look up these "melody maker SG's". That could be an interesting proposition. I've never seen one personally.
they have 4 knobs. The special has no binding and dot inlays.

This is my melody maker sg.



It has a melody maker narrow headstock as well. Mine is a '67
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I was reading on Wiki that they actually might have used different wood on the melody makers. Ash or something? I forget what it said now. I guess I should go back and look at it again. Is yours a different wood. My untrained eye has no clue. I know some woods, but for all I can tell, yours looks like oak. I read somewhere else that the SG's use quarter sawn. Is that right?
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I was reading on Wiki that they actually might have used different wood on the melody makers. Ash or something? I forget what it said now. I guess I should go back and look at it again. Is yours a different wood. My untrained eye has no clue. I know some woods, but for all I can tell, yours looks like oak. I read somewhere else that the SG's use quarter sawn. Is that right?
I own two, '64 and '67 and have owned 7 2003 models, all mahogany.

Some supposedly were made of spanish cedar. I have never seen one.
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Some models use body woods other than mahogany; examples include the Swamp Ash SG Special and SG Voodoo, the 2009 Raw Power, and some walnut bodied 1970s models. High-end models occasionally sport decorative maple caps, carved tops, and gold hardware.
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