i want to put a bigsby bridge on my ibanez gio, help????

Gibson SG · 06-24-2010, 01:24 PM

You should check into a roller bridge too, for tuning stability.

**Josey Wales** · 06-24-2010, 01:36 PM

ok, i'll look into that, can you give me an example, i'm sorry i'm not familiar at all with these kinds of tremolos.

Gibson SG · 06-24-2010, 11:59 PM

Wilkinson Brass Roller Bridge- Locking Studs Chrome
There's one for a LP. Basically, the roller bridge keeps your strings from being on a sharp point like a traditional ToM bridge. I've also heard that the extra mass helps sustain, but I'm not entirely convinced on that.

**Josey Wales** · 06-25-2010, 08:53 AM

cool, i'm liking that one better

Ax · 06-25-2010, 11:00 AM

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Wilkinson Brass Roller Bridge- Locking Studs Chrome
There's one for a LP. Basically, the roller bridge keeps your strings from being on a sharp point like a traditional ToM bridge. I've also heard that the extra mass helps sustain, but I'm not entirely convinced on that.

If you're putting a bigsby style trem, you shouldn't worry about sustain, because you'll have none anyways.

**Josey Wales** · 06-25-2010, 11:04 AM

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If you're putting a bigsby style trem, you shouldn't worry about sustain, because you'll have none anyways.

ok, but honestly i don't think i will be, i only said bigsby, because thats the only surface mounted trem i was aware of at the time.. i will probably go with a cheaper one for sure, and i'm leaning more toward this roller one....

i'm also gonna head over to musicians supertore either later tonight or tomorrow, and see what they have in stock.

Ax · 06-25-2010, 11:13 AM

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ok, but honestly i don't think i will be, i only said bigsby, because thats the only surface mounted trem i was aware of at the time.. i will probably go with a cheaper one for sure, and i'm leaning more toward this roller one....

i'm also gonna head over to musicians supertore either later tonight or tomorrow, and see what they have in stock.

The GFS one is included in that. Sustain is generated partially from sonic transfer from your tail to the wood. In other words: the strings vibrate the tail, and the wood resonates with the strumming. You lose a lot of that when you have the spring loaded stuff because the energy that would be transferred from the tail to the wood is instead absorbed by the springs.

I'm not saying it's a huge loss, to say you'd have none was an exaggeration, but the roller bridge statement is rather off base. You can get decent sustain with a trem, but not as much as a stop, and the roller bridge isn't going to make a noticeable difference if at all. I'm just saying that if you're talking about trems you probably shouldn't be to worried about sustain.

**Josey Wales** · 06-25-2010, 11:24 AM

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The GFS one is included in that. Sustain is generated partially from sonic transfer from your tail to the wood. In other words: the strings vibrate the tail, and the wood resonates with the strumming. You lose a lot of that when you have the spring loaded stuff because the energy that would be transferred from the tail to the wood is instead absorbed by the springs.

I'm not saying it's a huge loss, to say you'd have none was an exaggeration, but the roller bridge statement is rather off base. You can get decent sustain with a trem, but not as much as a stop, and the roller bridge isn't going to make a noticeable difference if at all. I'm just saying that if you're talking about trems you probably shouldn't be to worried about sustain.

well right i totally agree, i'm just trying to find a trem thats surface mount, thats cheap as can be, and works for my guitar. i know i'll lose resonation, but thats something i'm just gonna have to live with, and if i don't like it i can always put my tail stop back on.

i just didn't know much about these when i started this thread as i do now. thats why the thread was started LOL, i thought bigsby was a style, not a brand.

but Ax what do you think would be the best for the least amount of money that i can get. thats what it's coming down to for me, pretty much i just want trem on my guitar. and i don't want to spend much because as soon as i ever get my strat built, (budget pending) then i'll flip it back over to the stop tail, i just miss trem and want it back

Ax · 06-25-2010, 12:01 PM

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well right i totally agree, i'm just trying to find a trem thats surface mount, thats cheap as can be, and works for my guitar. i know i'll lose resonation, but thats something i'm just gonna have to live with, and if i don't like it i can always put my tail stop back on.

i just didn't know much about these when i started this thread as i do now. thats why the thread was started LOL, i thought bigsby was a style, not a brand.

but Ax what do you think would be the best for the least amount of money that i can get. thats what it's coming down to for me, pretty much i just want trem on my guitar. and i don't want to spend much because as soon as i ever get my strat built, (budget pending) then i'll flip it back over to the stop tail, i just miss trem and want it back

The GFS one is supposed to be great. I'd go with it and the roller bridge. You're gonna want a roller bridge either way. Bigsbys are nice because they're well.. bigsby and they're lifetime guaranteed, built like a tank, and they look freaking awesome. The problem with Bigsby is that they ARE expensive. However, you could probably find one on ebay if that's what you really want.

Another option was that I once played a guitar by Stagg that was a tele copy with a bigsby. It needed new pickups but the guitar played well and was super cheap. I think 150. People here probably gonna yell "NO STAGG" but really, it played a lot better than it's reputation would indicate and it had a bigsby.

Btw, if you don't have a roller bridge, you're gonna go thru strings like nobody's business...

**Josey Wales** · 06-25-2010, 01:05 PM

ok, well i hate to ask but what is the GFS one, idk.... and i do want to use a roller bridge i figured it wouldn't hurt the strngs as much.. bigsby's do look super cool, but i'm gonna wait till i get something a little more expensive and cooler than an ibanez gio....

roscoestring · 06-25-2010, 01:41 PM

GFS = Guitar Fetish Store

**Josey Wales** · 06-25-2010, 02:12 PM

oh, ok, well both of the links go there. so i didn't know. thanks alot man. i'm gonna see if musicians superstore has anything and can match price...

Gibson SG · 06-25-2010, 11:21 PM

Like I said, I'm not convinced on the sustain. I would still get one to keep strings from breaking.

k-lub242 · 07-01-2010, 09:53 PM

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Like I said, I'm not convinced on the sustain. I would still get one to keep strings from breaking.

Also, a roller bridge would help a lot with tuning. Every time you move the Bigsby (or any other type of trem), the strings move across the bridge. With a regular bridge, the strings rest against a pointed edge on the bridge. A point isn't the greatest thing for smooth sliding, so the strings could get stuck a little bit.