06-08-2010, 09:51 AM
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#16 | | Moderator
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Originally Posted by Ax They're just 3 washed up old dudes who I suspect are still trying to live out the glory days, only Tait and Mac are much more successful and Max is probably jealous. | Yeah, same with Soundgarden. Just 4 washed up old guys cashing in on their former success.
You seem to have a very high opinion of your taste in music, that doesn't mean that everything you dislike (or everything that any middle/high schooler likes) is laughable and unlistenable and immature.
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06-08-2010, 01:02 PM
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#17 | | Christian Bass Hack
Joined: Sep 2007 Location: Woodburn, OR Posts: 458
| I just hope that one day my band is successful enough for people to sit around saying "they stunk, I would not see their reunion... What did Bobby ever do in the group, anyhow?"
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06-08-2010, 01:30 PM
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#18 | | Registered User
Joined: Oct 2002 Location: here and there. Posts: 11,440
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Originally Posted by Ax For me and my friends, we'd be standing there laughing wondering why we ever listened to that ☺☺☺☺ in the first place. So... at least with me and my group, you're dead on.
Really, wasn't roughly 80% of their demographic middle and high schoolers? | My friends and I would be laughing, but we'd also be able to have a good time while we're at it. It's funny to look back at what we listened to, but I'm sure the same thing will happen in ten years about what we listen to now. Every once and a while my friends and I will play our favorite old dc talk and newsboys songs really loud in the car...we laugh and we sing along, we enjoy it, but we don't think it's the shiz anymore.
I think the difference is that most of dc talk fans were listening to it because it was the cool thing to listen to, not because they saw some talent or unique aspect to the band. So coming back to that is a lot different than, say, me coming back to Five Iron. So for a dc talk reunion show, I'd probably go, but there would be a lot of comic relief and reminiscing of growing up listening to Christian music (which ain't over! I'll always be growing up and I'm still listening to some Christian music). The purpose for a reunion show for a band that I truly thought was incredible would be much different. I'd go, and the emotions would vary from appreciation for their hard work, awe of their talent and heart, etc. Quote: |
Originally Posted by nbfan You seem to have a very high opinion of your taste in music, that doesn't mean that everything you dislike (or everything that any middle/high schooler likes) is laughable and unlistenable and immature. | dc talk has a great legacy, but their music isn't the best. Especially when you consider that other than Jesus Freak and Supernatural, the only albums they released were the self-titled, Nu Thang, and Free at Last albums... Quote: |
Originally Posted by rfclef I just hope that one day my band is successful enough for people to sit around saying "they stunk, I would not see their reunion... What did Bobby ever do in the group, anyhow?" | Me too...me too. And for the record, I think Kevin Max made the group considerably more accessible to those who weren't just fans of Toby's rapping. |
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06-08-2010, 01:35 PM
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#19 | | Bring it, foo'
Joined: May 2009 Location: A suburb of Chicago Posts: 188
| This news caught me a bit off-guard. I have K-Max in my friends list on Facebook, and I never saw the post everyone said he made about the petition. I thought it might have been on Twitter only, or might have been bullcrap, some fan posting something in his name. After a bit, and since no one's come forward to say "This is BC", I'll assume it was real and scribe up some thoughts.
Honestly, after reading his posts on Facebook, I was under the impression that K-Max was just as comfortable with the dcTalk "intermission" as Toby and Michael, if not more. In my opinion, of the three, K-Max is the one making the best music right now. He is working indie for a reason, because he wants to make the music he wants to make, not the music a record label or the radio crowd wants him to make. IIRC, it was his feeling somewhat stifled and out of most of the creative process that caused the breakup in the first place. Doing a "reunion tour" seems almost like a step back from that, very much "reliving the glory days".
My thought would be that, if it really is Kevin's idea to try to put together a reunion tour, it would be a "Tobymac/Newsboys/K-Max tour" or something along those lines, with all three of them all getting their own times and sets for their own bands, and then playing some of the old songs together at the end of each concert. That's the only way I can see this working. And, for those who don't think that two bands as big as Tobymac and the Newsboys could do one tour together, I direct your attention to the "Awake Tonight" tour with Toby and Skillet that wrapped up this spring. A tour that sold out almost every show, and made a boat-load of money for everyone involved, I'm sure.
And, Ax, you're right, Supernatural is the album of theirs that has aged the best. Underrated, IMO. I've never been a huge fan of Jesus Freak, probably because I wasn't into them when it came out. I listened to Audio Adrenaline as a kid, and that was pretty much all.
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06-08-2010, 06:14 PM
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#20 | | blessed beyond reason
Joined: Jun 2009 Location: Oregon Posts: 3,265
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Originally Posted by rfclef I just hope that one day my band is successful enough for people to sit around saying "they stunk, I would not see their reunion... What did Bobby ever do in the group, anyhow?" | What do you do? ;P |
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06-08-2010, 06:33 PM
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#21 | | Deadly Horses Authorized
Joined: Oct 2006 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 5,393
| I've gotta say, seeing Michael Tait perform "Jesus Freak" at a concert the other month really made me wish for a reunion concert. It was fun. |
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06-08-2010, 08:04 PM
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#22 | | Meat Popsicle
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 10,294
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Originally Posted by nbfan Yeah, same with Soundgarden. Just 4 washed up old guys cashing in on their former success.  | Soundgarden is completely different. I mean... at least with Matt Cameron, I know he's not washed up. He never lost it. I'm not a Pearl Jam fan but he's a fantastic drummer. And Chris Cornell's voice is still awesome, he just can't write good music anymore. Quote: |
You seem to have a very high opinion of your taste in music, that doesn't mean that everything you dislike (or everything that any middle/high schooler likes) is laughable and unlistenable and immature.
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That's not it at all. I don't think I have that great of a taste in music, but I know what I like. I just find DC Talk to be really cheesy. I loved them a lot when I was a kid. I literally wore out my cassette of Jesus Freak, bought the CD, then wore out my copy of Welcome to the Freak Show (which is one of the greatest live CDs in CCM history). And I do mean literally. Neither would play if you found them today. However, the more I mature the more I look back an listen to the lyrics they wrote at the time, the more I realize "this is really really cheesy stuff."
I still enjoy certain songs of theirs: Dive, My Will, The Hardway, What If I Stumble, In The Light... just to name a few.... But for the most part I don't think I can listen to them that much anymore. Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonular My friends and I would be laughing, but we'd also be able to have a good time while we're at it. It's funny to look back at what we listened to, but I'm sure the same thing will happen in ten years about what we listen to now. Every once and a while my friends and I will play our favorite old dc talk and newsboys songs really loud in the car...we laugh and we sing along, we enjoy it, but we don't think it's the shiz anymore.
I think the difference is that most of dc talk fans were listening to it because it was the cool thing to listen to, not because they saw some talent or unique aspect to the band. So coming back to that is a lot different than, say, me coming back to Five Iron. So for a dc talk reunion show, I'd probably go, but there would be a lot of comic relief and reminiscing of growing up listening to Christian music (which ain't over! I'll always be growing up and I'm still listening to some Christian music). The purpose for a reunion show for a band that I truly thought was incredible would be much different. I'd go, and the emotions would vary from appreciation for their hard work, awe of their talent and heart, etc.
| These are my sentiments exactly. (Newsboys 4 Lyfe yo, last 4 albums excluded). Quote:
Originally Posted by BenWahrman And, Ax, you're right, Supernatural is the album of theirs that has aged the best. Underrated, IMO. I've never been a huge fan of Jesus Freak, probably because I wasn't into them when it came out. I listened to Audio Adrenaline as a kid, and that was pretty much all. | I got into AA late, but I really think as a whole Supernatural was a fantastic album. Not many of it's songs stand well alone but overall the album is their strongest.
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06-08-2010, 08:38 PM
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#23 | | ButtNugget
Joined: Dec 2005 Location: Saskatchewan, Canada Posts: 5,534
| If all three of them were in, i'd go see them if they came somewhere near. I'm surprised to see people saying they were never that great here. I don't really listen to that kind of music, but I credit DC Talk for being one of the greatest christian bands of all time. Honestly, I don't know where the Christian Music scene would be without them, they were huge influences on a lot of great bands.
I know I still put on Jesus Freak now and then, and thoroughly enjoy it everytime.
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06-08-2010, 10:57 PM
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#24 | | WELL FOR WILLING PARTY
Joined: Apr 2006 Location: Winston-Salem, NC Posts: 2,290
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Originally Posted by Fandrew I've gotta say, seeing Michael Tait perform "Jesus Freak" at a concert the other month really made me wish for a reunion concert. It was fun. | On this note though... Toby ends all his concerts with "Jesus Freak" last I heard, as well... which is kind of sad.. that neither of them have been able to produce any "grand finale" song after DCTalk I mean. |
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06-18-2010, 12:09 AM
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#25 | | Meat Popsicle
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 10,294
| ... Been doing some nostalgia lisnin... I don't care how cheesy they were, I'd go see them in a hearbeat.
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06-22-2010, 04:40 PM
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#26 | | Bring it, foo'
Joined: May 2009 Location: A suburb of Chicago Posts: 188
| I listened to their "Welcome to the Freak Show" live disc recently, and I have to share the sentiment. For all else they are/were, dcTalk did some great live music. They just sound so much more raw and fun than on their studio albums. And YouTube videos and DVDs can do their shows only so much justice. I'd go, just to say that I've seen them, just like I can say I've seen 1/2 of Audio Adrenaline on stage.
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