[nolidad]

Red Mass Group:: HS History Teacher at La Raza Rally calls for Mexican revolt in "occupied Mexico"

Where are teh liberal pundits who railed against the tea party saying their speech could cause another Oklahoma?

Where is former president Clinton warning about teh potential violence of this kind of speech?

What say you????

This is a LA high school teacher.

[nbfan]

biased link is biased.

Also, history teacher with an agenda, that's nothing new. There's probably more liberal teachers at demonstrations than you or I know of.

[JerryLove]

Originally Posted by nolidad

Where are teh liberal pundits who railed against the tea party saying their speech could cause another Oklahoma?

Where is former president Clinton warning about teh potential violence of this kind of speech?

What say you????

I know I'm going to regret assuming, even for the sake of argument, that your presuppositions are correct... but to answer your quetion.

How many millions of people are in his movement? Zero million?
How many hundreds-of-thousands of his followers were at his rally? Zero hundreds of thousands?

I suspect that Clinton is off worring about movements that affect non-local politics, and the pundits are off worrying about things that affect non-local radop.

I oppose all advocation of violence as a means of political change in the US.

[nolidad]

Originally Posted by nbfan

biased link is biased.

Also, history teacher with an agenda, that's nothing new. There's probably more liberal teachers at demonstrations than you or I know of.

Well unless they altered teh video- the bias of the link is irrelevant- it is the teachers words that matter.

I know I'm going to regret assuming, even for the sake of argument, that your presuppositions are correct... but to answer your quetion.

How many millions of people are in his movement? Zero million?
How many hundreds-of-thousands of his followers were at his rally? Zero hundreds of thousands?

I suspect that Clinton is off worring about movements that affect non-local politics, and the pundits are off worrying about things that affect non-local radop.

WEll seeing how La Raza is in over 300 communities an received over 15.2 million in fedferal money.

Here are just a few sites showing the influence of La Raza and their affilaite groups under their banner.

U.S. Immigration Laws: The Truth About "La Raza" Movement - HUMAN EVENTS

This shows the seamier side of "The Race".

La Raza Nation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This shows one of the most public members of La Raza

Sonia Sotomayor 'La Raza member'

So this just isn't a little local backyard BBQ- this is a nation wide group that believes in taking back the southwest for Mexico.

[JerryLove]

WEll seeing how La Raza is in over 300 communities an received over 15.2 million in fedferal money.

Here are just a few sites showing the influence of La Raza and their affilaite groups under their banner.

U.S. Immigration Laws: The Truth About "La Raza" Movement - HUMAN EVENTS

This shows the seamier side of "The Race".

La Raza Nation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This site lists La Raza (which I'd never heard of) as a gang like the Bloods and Crips... and the only government money I see being spent on it is being spent to arrest and imprision its members.

I don't see a political movement here... or is your revelation that criminal street gangs are bad. That's hardly news.

[Ridley's Own]

Originally Posted by JerryLove

This site lists La Raza (which I'd never heard of) as a gang like the Bloods and Crips... and the only government money I see being spent on it is being spent to arrest and imprision its members.

I don't see a political movement here... or is your revelation that criminal street gangs are bad. That's hardly news.

That's because "La Raza," as in the National Council of La Raza is not the same oranization as La Raza Nation the gang. That nolidad or his blog sites can't tell the difference between a cultural organization and a street gang is either stupidity or dishonesty, take your pick.

[slap_j]

Originally Posted by Ridley's Own

That's because "La Raza," as in the National Council of La Raza is not the same oranization as La Raza Nation the gang. That nolidad or his blog sites can't tell the difference between a cultural organization and a street gang is either stupidity or dishonesty, take your pick.

Oh c'mon. This is the fault of the Homograph Nation.

[metropolis4]

What exactly is your issue here? Do you not believe he should have been allowed to say the things he said? Do you think he should be punished for what he said? Or is this just another "they're all biased against us" bunker mentality thing?

[thesteve]

Originally Posted by Ridley's Own

That's because "La Raza," as in the National Council of La Raza is not the same oranization as La Raza Nation the gang. That nolidad or his blog sites can't tell the difference between a cultural organization and a street gang is either stupidity or dishonesty, take your pick.

In light of this, this isn't the first time people have come out against The National Council of La Raza and/or their followers for espousing the secession/takeover of the governments of California, Arizona and New Mexico in order to rejoin Mexico.

[Ridley's Own]

Originally Posted by thesteve

In light of this, this isn't the first time people have come out against The National Council of La Raza and/or their followers for espousing the secession/takeover of the governments of California, Arizona and New Mexico in order to rejoin Mexico.

Which would be fair enough, provided the charge was true.

La Raza and seperatist organizations

[Rainer.]

In any case, "joking" in this forum has become overtly belligerent and incredibly un-Christ-like. And I'm sure I speak for the administration and mod staff as well when I say that I'm pretty disappointed with the all the attitude.

Tone it down.

[nolidad]

Originally Posted by Ridley's Own

That's because "La Raza," as in the National Council of La Raza is not the same oranization as La Raza Nation the gang. That nolidad or his blog sites can't tell the difference between a cultural organization and a street gang is either stupidity or dishonesty, take your pick.

Or the gangs operate under the umbrella of the national council. Much like hezbollah is a philanthropic organization, a poltical movement, a social movement, and a terrosist organization bent on teh destruction of Israel. One may be a part of the cultural and have no ties to the terrosrist sites. Your either unwillingness or inability to recognize that is worrisome.

Which would be fair enough, provided the charge was true.

La Raza and seperatist organizations

So an organization- says it is not involved in speratist organizations is beyingd question? Wow you guys have come a long way! Like they would come out and admit the truth if htey did encourage and support subversive activities. Let me see if I can think of a simiilar example in recent memory??? Yes I remember!! Anorganization declared its innocnece of any wrong doing ! Congress did some little investigiating and found enough dirt to defund their federal funds and they disbanded- even though they swore they did little to nothing wrong!

anybody remember the claims of purity of ACORN? by ACORN????

[nolidad]

Originally Posted by Ridley's Own

Which would be fair enough, provided the charge was true.

La Raza and seperatist organizations

This is also where I ma glad of my prison chaplain experience. Where I worked with latin gang members from La familia, Latin Kings and La Raza. I learned enough to know that NCLR is th elatino version of La Cosa Nostra.

But I 'll make a deal with you Isaac, if NCLR is so innocent would you be willing to have a full chapter with all its affiliate groups open a community branch in your neighborhood???

[slap_j]

Originally Posted by nolidad

Or the gangs operate under the umbrella of the national council.

NCLR was founded under the name "Southwest Council of La Raza" (a 501(c) organization) in Phoenix in '68. The La Raza Nation formed in 1972 in Chicago. They didn't even venture out of that area until the 90s. Where is the connection at all? It's definitely a big deal if so. If not it's kind of slanderous.

[Ridley's Own]

Originally Posted by nolidad

But I 'll make a deal with you Isaac, if NCLR is so innocent would you be willing to have a full chapter with all its affiliate groups open a community branch in your neighborhood???

Yes.