04-18-2010, 11:23 AM
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#1 | | I just have to have a say
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| Vox Nighttrain AND a fender blues junior head So has anyone ever tried this. Fenders are renowned for clean and vox/marshalls are known for dirt. I've seen people convert blues juniors into head/cab setups. Is there a way i could rig the vox and bj into the same speaker cab and use an a/b box to switch between the two amps but still through the same speaker so that way when mic'd i don't have to set up two mics and two seperate cabs. I might have to build a special cab but that would be awesome. I could have the truest two channel amp with the best of both worlds. what do you guys think. fender clean + british crunch all into one speaker. I can't imagine the possibilities with this especially being able to bias and retube each amp to get the best out of each sound. I really like the idea.
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04-18-2010, 11:58 AM
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#2 | | Meat Popsicle
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 10,294
| Dude... Vox are known for sparkling cleans... When I talk to people about Vox the last thing that comes up is dirt. It's VERY easy to push the Nigh Train into distortion, trust me, I do it on a daily basis, but man, that thing sounds good clean... REALLY good clean.
I'm sure there is a way to do it, but really, if you play the Nigh Train on the Bright channel, you'll know what I mean... It's crystal clean.
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04-18-2010, 12:12 PM
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#3 | | I just have to have a say
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| yeah i guess your right the vox did have a great clean. HOWEVER it's distortion was kickin. so even if i did this with two vox night trains which is another feasable idea. How would i do it
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04-18-2010, 12:13 PM
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#4 | | Meat Popsicle
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 10,294
| You could do it with one Night Train and a booster pedal.
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04-18-2010, 12:21 PM
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#5 | | I just have to have a say
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| But then i lose out on two independant eq's and being able to try two amps each set for doing one sound the best. also what if i tried this with a marshall haze 15 and the vox night train. anyway my main question is can i build a cab with two inputs
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04-18-2010, 12:30 PM
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#6 | | recovering user
Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 4,793
| If you're looking for a clean/dirty setup..... replace the Vox with an Orange. |
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04-18-2010, 12:49 PM
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#7 | | Meat Popsicle
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 10,294
| Quote:
Originally Posted by DropKick74 But then i lose out on two independant eq's and being able to try two amps each set for doing one sound the best. also what if i tried this with a marshall haze 15 and the vox night train. anyway my main question is can i build a cab with two inputs | If you're using the Thick channel of the Night Train it has no EQ anyways. The EQ only works on bright. Not only that but you can get an EQ pedal that will fix your problem, and be cheaper than using multiple amps.
The answer to your question is this: you could build a switch that would change which amp is going into your cab, it is possible... it's impractical however.
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Amps: Vox Night Train, B52 AT-100
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04-18-2010, 01:07 PM
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#8 | | I'm on a horse. Super Moderator
Joined: Jun 2003 Location: Seattle, WA. Posts: 26,974
| I'd drop my cash on a higher-end amp with two channels that I liked before dropping it on two lower-end amps...
IMO. |
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04-18-2010, 01:18 PM
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#9 | | I just have to have a say
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| problem is that higher end usually means higher wattage and that is not a feature i'm looking for to loud and not a good sound. anyway, i just figured out the answer to my question here: Radial Headbone amp head switcher - using the Headbone
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04-18-2010, 01:39 PM
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#10 | | I'm on a horse. Super Moderator
Joined: Jun 2003 Location: Seattle, WA. Posts: 26,974
| Rivera Clubster 25... Bad Cat Hot Cat 15... that's off the top of my head, but I'm sure there are more two-channel, low wattage boutique amps. |
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04-18-2010, 01:53 PM
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#11 | | Now with Banstick™ Super Moderator
Joined: Jun 2003 Location: Nashville Posts: 8,143
| You can't use just a simple A/B box to switch amp heads into a cab. The heads need a speaker load at all times and an a/b switcher will not do that.
The only thing I know of that will accomplish this is the Radial Headbone which you just posted. |
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04-24-2010, 08:26 AM
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#12 | | Okagesama de genki desu
Joined: Feb 2006 Location: Aurora, Not just a place... Posts: 2,227
| Personally I think it's a cool way to go. I came really close to going with a two Night Train setup myself. Realistically you can just learn to use your volume knob and a good boost pedal with a Vox amp to get every shade of tone you need. But I understand your point about wanting them both set at optimal settings. You may try just one first however and see if it works for you before spending the money on a second amp. I know a lot of guys who have come from channel switching amps and modeling gear don't really understand this concept, but you'll begin to see how it works if you try it.
Another option besides the Radial Head Bone is to get a cab with either 2x12's or 2x10's and set it up stereo. Get one with two input jacks and separate them internally so one output goes to one speaker, and the other goes to the second speaker. This way you just plug one head into the first jack and the other into the second jack. It would cost the same as the Radial, and it would be a lot less to set up/tear down and carry around with you
Also, FWIW high end doesn't mean higher powered. The market is flooded with low wattage boutique amps
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04-26-2010, 02:18 PM
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#13 | | I just have to have a say
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| That's what i my original question was... so how would i do that so seperate each speaker so that each head gets a speaker.?
And i understand maybe just trying one first. I'll probably do that because i know i want something like that vox. Basically I'm looking for an amp that does one thing very very well vs getting into the amps that are very versatile but aren't great at anything. I dont want the jack of all trades master of none amp. I want a good core sound and after doing more reading I'm thinking of just investing in a small single channel single amp. I like the idea of that.
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04-26-2010, 03:21 PM
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#14 | | Bulldogge Administrator
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| really, to do this without damage, you should use 2 mics and 2 speakers unless you use that headbone
Metropolis4, doesn't using a stereo 2x12 result in obnoxious phase cancelation if you are using both at once?
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04-26-2010, 09:31 PM
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#15 | | I just have to have a say
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| I don't want to use both at once. That was never a goal of mine
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