[mulletman]

Originally Posted by thesteve

Is 95:0 better or worse than 100:1?

Federation of American Scientists :: F-15 Eagle

Better. 95:0 --> infinite, until the first loss.

[Kentl]

Let me ask you all a question, why are you so reedy to jump to the fact that he did it for fun or on purpose?
For instance jerry
Was saying he did it for fun because he likes killing but now it seems he belived he saw an rpg




also as for him
numbers dont help those afreid of flying instead of driving it sure as hell is not going to help those afreid of war

when u see death evrey where your scared

why are you scared of the goverment geting to much power when by numbers the odds of any thing bad really hapening is low?

[thesteve]

Originally Posted by The Phantom Mullet

RPG = like throwing a rock at a tank unless the aircraft in question happens to be a helo trying to do a personnel drop or pick up of some kind.

To be fair, in the video in question the helo appears to just be flying in circles as it did some sort of convoy escort. Though, I think the RPG fear was more in relation to what the helo personnel knew a RPG could do to a Bradley and a Humvee, not necessarily what an RPG could have done to the helo.

[mulletman]

Originally Posted by Kentl

numbers dont help those afreid of flying instead of driving it sure as hell is not going to help those afreid of war

I can't help the fact that statistical proof is no match for ignorance.

[mulletman]

Originally Posted by thesteve

To be fair, in the video in question the helo appears to just be flying in circles as it did some sort of convoy escort. Though, I think the RPG fear was more in relation to what the helo personnel knew a RPG could do to a Bradley and a Humvee, not necessarily what an RPG could have done to the helo.

A very valid point.

[jthomas1600]

Phantom Mullet. You are 100% correct that you have enough reason to feel safer from the sky and therefore make more rational decisions. At least I think that's the crux of your point...that your not in a panic me or them, gotta shoot right now situation. But it looked like ( I don't know much about aircraft) all the numbers you sighted were for fighter jets? Maybe I'm wrong. I would think that while being in a chopper would be much safer than being a foot soldier, you don't have the advantage of flying over at 600 mph like you do in a jet. And I've seen Black Hawk Down. I know it's just a movie, but it makes you think the last thing you want to do is go down in the middle of a war zone and be a sitting duck.

[Kentl]

[QUOTE=I can't help the fact that statistical proof is no match for ignorance.[/QUOTE]

fear is ignorance some cases not this

with thousands dead form the war beening there whould scare the hell out of me even if i was in a imposble to get to bunker under twnety miles of rock (you get the point)


fear of diying in a war is not ignorance its instinct

[mulletman]

Originally Posted by jthomas1600

Phantom Mullet. You are 100% correct that you have enough reason to feel safer from the sky and therefore make more rational decisions. At least I think that's the crux of your point...that your not in a panic me or them, gotta shoot right now situation. But it looked like ( I don't know much about aircraft) all the numbers you sighted were for fighter jets? Maybe I'm wrong. I would think that while being in a chopper would be much safer than being a foot soldier, you don't have the advantage of flying over at 600 mph like you do in a jet. And I've seen Black Hawk Down. I know it's just a movie, but it makes you think the last thing you want to do is go down in the middle of a war zone and be a sitting duck.

All of the helos lost in Black Hawk Down were in a personnel-drop or medivac sort of situation..... not orbiting assault...

[JerryLove]

Originally Posted by Kentl

tell me how long before you develop X ray googols and mind reading abilities that let you know that A they don’t have weapons B there wasn’t a terrorist in that group?
see the funny thing is
form where they where they may have mistaken them for the bad guys or they could of been pychos that like to kill who knows? you dont and i dont

And they didn't know. So they killed them.

Of course, I don't know you aren't a terrorist. I don't know you aren't armed. Is not knowing somone isn't bad now OK to kill?

and how many bombs go off over there a year? that are set off by someone evreyone belived was a civillion?

So how many need to go off before we can just shoot anyone over here in the US?

and when did you devoploe pych and time travling powers so you can know the real reason they did it?

They are called ears. I listened to the recording.

I never said it was ok for them to do it, dont put my words in to my mouth.

You keep defending this murder, and the false-witness that covered it up.

[JerryLove]

Originally Posted by Kentl

Let me ask you all a question, why are you so reedy to jump to the fact that he did it for fun or on purpose?
For instance jerry
Was saying he did it for fun because he likes killing but now it seems he belived he saw an rpg

You are a hypocrite for accusing me of putting words in your mouth and then lying so boldly about what I said.

But you are correct that I don't think he "accidentally aimed and fired".

when u see death evrey where your scared

Then the people on the ground should be scared.

How many people can I murder because I'm scared before you wouldn't defend me?

[JerryLove]

Originally Posted by jthomas1600

Phantom Mullet. You are 100% correct that you have enough reason to feel safer from the sky and therefore make more rational decisions. At least I think that's the crux of your point...that your not in a panic me or them, gotta shoot right now situation. But it looked like ( I don't know much about aircraft) all the numbers you sighted were for fighter jets? Maybe I'm wrong. I would think that while being in a chopper would be much safer than being a foot soldier, you don't have the advantage of flying over at 600 mph like you do in a jet. And I've seen Black Hawk Down. I know it's just a movie, but it makes you think the last thing you want to do is go down in the middle of a war zone and be a sitting duck.

I hear nothing in that tape that indicates fear. I see nothing that indicates that the people on the ground were aware of the helicoptor, or that the people in the helicoptor thought the people on the ground were aware of them.

I certinly see nothing that indicates the unarmed men and children who were attempting to get the wounded to medical care were deemed a threat.

No one was under fire. No one was being aimed at. No one seemed even rushed (other than an impatient gunner who wanted permission to shoot).

As I've said before: mistakes sometimes happen and innocent people sometimes die at the hands of even the best intended of soldiers. I don't see that this qualifies. A perfectly safe pair of people in a gunship decided to kill 8 civillians because they had something in their hands. They then decided to kill the men and children who attempted to assist the wounded because.. well, I can't come up with a non-murderous reason.

[JerryLove]

Originally Posted by The Phantom Mullet

All of the helos lost in Black Hawk Down were in a personnel-drop or medivac sort of situation..... not orbiting assault...

If there were civillian deaths in Somalia during that mission, and I assume their were, I have no problem imagining "casualties of war". There was an actual fire-fight going on there. It's very different from killing people when no battle is occuring.