multi effects for worship

pfc2006 · 03-30-2010, 08:15 PM

I will not be getting a new amp in the near future, simply cannot afford and dont think i need it, the clean sound that the fm 65watt ii have sound absolutely great for now anyway!

at the moment...im liking the sound of a simple dan electro, cool cat overdrive and transparent overdrive...with a delay pedal...line 6 echo park looks very nifty...how does this digitech compare? and is there any other similar priced delay pedals or slightly cheaper which would sound as good? these 3 pedals come to about £150. I will try these out befoore i buy hopefully this week

**Rainer.** · 03-30-2010, 08:41 PM

The thing is, if you can't afford a good amp, then you definitely can't afford the number of pedals you're looking at for any good quality...

pfc2006 · 03-30-2010, 08:49 PM

well considering i can only afford up to 150quid...this will buy some pedals but not a good amp! good amps are big money and for now i see nothing wrong with the frontman 65watt on clean setting with effects used just because I cannot afford a tube amp!

**nbfan** · 03-30-2010, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by pfc2006

well considering i can only afford up to 150quid...this will buy some pedals but not a good amp! good amps are big money and for now i see nothing wrong with the frontman 65watt on clean setting with effects used just because I cannot afford a tube amp!

I'm with you there. If you've got a good clean tone there's no reason not to build upon that, even if it is solid state.

**jamforchrist123** · 03-30-2010, 09:38 PM

You for sure can get a decent overdrive and delay pedal in your price range, but it just might eat away in your head that it's not sounding as good as it could be

pfc2006 · 03-31-2010, 03:40 AM

nah i completely see your point jam and all others saying to get tube amps, dont worry im not just ignoring you!

i think thats good for the future though for sure...for now though i think pedal effects are the way to go...next on the list will be a new guitar then i think a tube amp... mmmmmmmm!

cheers alot for your help thouggh! what do you think of the set up i suggested though? think it would sound ok?

**Rainer.** · 03-31-2010, 10:38 AM

I pretty much think you're spending money you should be saving for an amp.

Think of it, if you get an amp with good reverb and overdrive, then you wouldn't have really needed to spend money on them.

And the only variable in this equation is a delay pedal. And the delays that you would want to be looking at (digital delays with tap tempo) are going to be at least twice the price of your basic overdrive pedal, unless you score a used Boss DD-5 with an external tap, which is the cheapest idea I have for delay, but isn't "cheap".

pfc2006 · 03-31-2010, 11:03 AM

I am not buyingg a new amp...i do not need a new amp! that is final...im not professional its the effects i need not really the reverb...most who buy a new amp still get overdrive pedals....ok not always the case but your completely over doing it on the amp front...I am not pro, the amp i have is good and i do not need a valve amp right now ...in the future, maybe, i play at a small church or through a PA and or my bedroom.

I do not need an amp, just basic effects! the behringer echo machine also has a touch tempo and that is the same pretty much as the echo park line 6...but for 40 quid...

i will either get cheap but good quality pedals or a multi effects. its all i need for what im using it for

Ax · 03-31-2010, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by pfc2006

I am not buyingg a new amp...i do not need a new amp! that is final...im not professional its the effects i need not really the reverb...most who buy a new amp still get overdrive pedals....ok not always the case but your completely over doing it on the amp front...I am not pro, the amp i have is good and i do not need a valve amp right now ...in the future, maybe, i play at a small church or through a PA and or my bedroom.

I do not need an amp, just basic effects! the behringer echo machine also has a touch tempo and that is the same pretty much as the echo park line 6...but for 40 quid...

i will either get cheap but good quality pedals or a multi effects. its all i need for what im using it for

I understand your position, and I'm not gonna push you toward buying an amp, but I am going to explain why everybody is saying that.

Solid State amps unless you have some special ones (most likely brands you've never ever heard of) generally are of extremely low quality. Even if they sound good clean, an overdrive pedal in front of them still generally will sound very bad.

Pedals and effects are not going to fix bad tone. In fact, they're gonna amplify it. They're gonna make bad tone EVEN WORSE.

The thing is this: solid state amps sound dead, there's no warmth to them, so putting an overdrive in front of it will sound really harsh.

***BillSPrestonEsq*** · 03-31-2010, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by pfc2006

I am not buyingg a new amp...i do not need a new amp! that is final...im not professional its the effects i need not really the reverb...most who buy a new amp still get overdrive pedals....ok not always the case but your completely over doing it on the amp front...I am not pro, the amp i have is good and i do not need a valve amp right now ...in the future, maybe, i play at a small church or through a PA and or my bedroom.

A new amp would go a lot further toward what you want. In absolute honesty, that is where I would start as well. Now, I realize you may not have cash for it. But realize if you want the hillsong tone, someday, thats going to have to change to get the sounds you are looking for. And if you ever have an opportunity to go to America or have a friend do so, an amp here is like 1/4 the price it is over there.

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I do not need an amp, just basic effects! the behringer echo machine also has a touch tempo and that is the same pretty much as the echo park line 6...but for 40 quid...

It also has a reputation for breaking very rapidly and sounding terrible.

I would recommend the marshall echohead for delay. On a whim I just picked up a new one for 30 USD off of ebay. They typically run 40-45. I shipped one to GB not too long ago when I sold my last one.

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i will either get cheap but good quality pedals or a multi effects. its all i need for what im using it for

Then ultimately, you are not going to sound very good.

Here is what I would do in your situation.

Look at either a modeler, (which will replace your amp in live scenarios, like a POD XT Live) Or a new amp eventually and decent effects.