[JerryLove]

Originally Posted by nolidad

Well you are one of the few who is clueless as to what the middle class is. Turn on the news and just wait- every news network loves talking alot about the middle class- you will get you r knowledge then.

If you could have defined it, you would. You didn't. That tells me that your asserted fact is one you made up.

Your next paragraph mutters unintelligeably about something entierly unrelated to what I said (that the US fails on objective measures to have the highest standard of living, indeed to be in the top 10)... and given these two paragraphs I'm going to save myself time and assume the rest of your post is equally off-topic and useless.

[nolidad]

Originally Posted by JerryLove

If you could have defined it, you would. You didn't. That tells me that your asserted fact is one you made up.

Your next paragraph mutters unintelligeably about something entierly unrelated to what I said (that the US fails on objective measures to have the highest standard of living, indeed to be in the top 10)... and given these two paragraphs I'm going to save myself time and assume the rest of your post is equally off-topic and useless.

WEll if you need anymore links to understand what the American middle class is, let me know I can give hundreds more.

BY THE WAY-- STILL WAITING FOR PROOF OF YOUR ACCUSATION THAT VANDERBOEGH IS AN ARDENT TEA PARTIER!!!!

American middle class - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Middle class - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Middle Class on the Precipice | Harvard Magazine Jan-Feb 2006

What Does It Mean To Be "Middle Class"?

America's Middle Class Still Losing Ground

What Is The Middle Class? | TheMiddleClass.org

The Collapse of the Middle Class - A BuzzFlash Guest Commentary

http://www.bing.com/reference/semhtm...n+middle+class

U.S. Losing Its Middle-Class Neighborhoods - washingtonpost.com

A Superpower in Decline: America's Middle Class Has Become Globalization's Loser - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

A Brief History of the American Middle Class - TIME

Who or what is the middle class? - Gut Check- msnbc.com

NOW. Politics & Economy. Who is the Middle Class? Overview | PBS

[JerryLove]

Originally Posted by nolidad

WEll if you need anymore links to understand what the American middle class is, let me know I can give hundreds more.

BY THE WAY-- STILL WAITING FOR PROOF OF YOUR ACCUSATION THAT VANDERBOEGH IS AN ARDENT TEA PARTIER!!!!

American middle class - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The first paragraph from your first link (emphasis mine):

"The American middle class is an ambiguously defined social class in the United States.[1][2] While the concept remains largely ambiguous in popular opinion and common language use,[3][4] contemporary sociologists have put forward several, more or less congruent, theories on the American middle class. Depending on class model used, the middle class may constitute anywhere from 25% to 66% of households."

So while you seem capable of using Google, you remain incapable of reading. I called it ambiguious, and you countered with a site calling it ambigiuous. Thanks for providing the links that prove me right.

If you want to waste CGR's time with hundreds more links that support me and prove you dishonest: knock yourself out.

[nolidad]

Originally Posted by JerryLove

The first paragraph from your first link (emphasis mine):

"The American middle class is an ambiguously defined social class in the United States.[1][2] While the concept remains largely ambiguous in popular opinion and common language use,[3][4] contemporary sociologists have put forward several, more or less congruent, theories on the American middle class. Depending on class model used, the middle class may constitute anywhere from 25% to 66% of households."

So while you seem capable of using Google, you remain incapable of reading. I called it ambiguious, and you countered with a site calling it ambigiuous. Thanks for providing the links that prove me right.

If you want to waste CGR's time with hundreds more links that support me and prove you dishonest: knock yourself out.

Are you a middle class American? Or an upper class or lower class American?

[JerryLove]

Originally Posted by nolidad

Are you a middle class American? Or an upper class or lower class American?

I might be middle class, or working class... and with my household income I think I was lower class, but I'm not sure.

Now... I believe the topic you failed to address was your claim that the class was not ambiguious followed by your citation of sites saying it was ambiguious. From there we will get to your invented claims about who has the biggest middle class, and I'll prove you wrong. This will completely destroy your previous false claim.

Of course, you'll want to talk about something else: most likely somehow involving the tea party.

[nolidad]

Originally Posted by JerryLove

I might be middle class, or working class... and with my household income I think I was lower class, but I'm not sure.

Now... I believe the topic you failed to address was your claim that the class was not ambiguious followed by your citation of sites saying it was ambiguious. From there we will get to your invented claims about who has the biggest middle class, and I'll prove you wrong. This will completely destroy your previous false claim.

Of course, you'll want to talk about something else: most likely somehow involving the tea party.

Don't open a psychic hot line to tell peoples thoughts- you really do suck at it.

But seeing as you seem to think you know my thoughts, every day when I get home, I will check with you on how my day was so I can answer my wife when she asks.

I might be middle class, or working class... and with my household income I think I was lower class, but I'm not sure.

Good answer but if the classes are so ambigous how can you even be as barely definitive as you just stated?

Now... I believe the topic you failed to address was your claim that the class was not ambiguious followed by your citation of sites saying it was ambiguious. From there we will get to your invented claims about who has the biggest middle class, and I'll prove you wrong. This will completely destroy your previous false claim.

Well where it EXACTLY starts and ends is ambigious, based on factors like cost of living in an area and a host of other factors. So someone making 50K in say rural tennessee would be midddle class, but that same income in Manhattan would make one lower class. trhat is why it is ambigous. All agree there is a middle class- it is the bulk of the earners in America, Also history shos that America help create the middle class- thatr is one of th ereasons we have more people come to our country legally and illegally than every other country in the world- for a chance to have that middle class lifestyle or even become rich.

[nolidad]

Jerry I do have to give you credit. You know my weaknesses. I make a comment and then you hammer away at it and get us way off topic so much. So much for my new years resolution to CGR to try to keep a thread focused on a thread and not allow myself to be distracted by off topic issues.

"The American middle class is an ambiguously defined social class in the United States.[1][2] While the concept remains largely ambiguous in popular opinion and common language use,[3][4] contemporary sociologists have put forward several, more or less congruent, theories on the American middle class. Depending on class model used, the middle class may constitute anywhere from 25% to 66% of households."

True, but one can still go down many neighborhoods and say this is a middle class neighborhood or upper class neighborhood or lower class neighborhood still. I know our modern society has teh disease of parsing things down to th esubatomic level and creating sub classes of sub classes of sub classes, but ambigous as where th elines of start and end are- every one knows there is a middle class in America (shrinkiong -yes this is true, because of the recession many are slipping below, bewfore the recession many were climbing up)

[JerryLove]

Well where it EXACTLY starts and ends is ambigious, based on factors like cost of living in an area and a host of other factors. So someone making 50K in say rural tennessee would be midddle class, but that same income in Manhattan would make one lower class. trhat is why it is ambigous. All agree there is a middle class- it is the bulk of the earners in America, Also history shos that America help create the middle class- thatr is one of th ereasons we have more people come to our country legally and illegally than every other country in the world- for a chance to have that middle class lifestyle or even become rich.

1000 years ago, smiths would have been middle-class (or some variation therein under most definitions I could imagine you coming up with): as would cobblers and masons.

The industrial revolution created the middle class, and unionization massively expanded it. It certainly is not the invention of some country.

Originally Posted by nolidad

True, but one can still go down many neighborhoods and say this is a middle class neighborhood or upper class neighborhood or lower class neighborhood still. I know our modern society has teh disease of parsing things down to th esubatomic level and creating sub classes of sub classes of sub classes, but ambigous as where th elines of start and end are- every one knows there is a middle class in America (shrinkiong -yes this is true, because of the recession many are slipping below, bewfore the recession many were climbing up)

And yet you still haven't defined it.

Let's skip back to how this question got raised in the first place. You said that the US had the world's largest middle class (I assume per-capita). OK. Exactly what percentage of Americans are in the middle class and how was that number arrived at?

Recall that the point of the question is to determine if your claim is true or false. I cannot do that without knowing the definition of the term you are using.