[Kentl]

Originally Posted by bowstaff981

Really? If I buy something and I don't need it anymore and it still works I will sell it. This has been happening forever. It's the reason that car dealerships will let you trade in your used car. They know that they can sell it again and they don't want you to sell it to an unrelated used car lot. It seems pretty obvious to me that people would eventually start selling the games they used but don't want anymore. It's the reason garage sales exist.

you miss the point, they did not know that games whould get this big
back in arcades if you told someone that the 360 whold be around it whould be nuts
vedeo games are still some what consider toys
but more and more that is changhin

[Cam42]

Originally Posted by Ax

Sony used to have their own outlet stores, I'm sure they're still around but haven't seen on in ages. The one that used to be near my house sold all sorts of playstation games (this was back in 97-99 era, i think ours closed down in 2000), and they had new and used games, from them and third party developers. Those games weren't enough to keep that store open.

There's still a Sony Style store in the mall that I go to...

It sucks.

[bowstaff981]

Originally Posted by Kentl

you miss the point, they did not know that games whould get this big
back in arcades if you told someone that the 360 whold be around it whould be nuts
vedeo games are still some what consider toys
but more and more that is changhin

Yes, when the only video games were giant arcade machines they probably did not think that people would purchase them for at home use and then sell them used. Obviously what we are talking about is video games made to be played at home. By the time that Nintendo decided to make the SNES they probably figured out that their business was here to stay.

[Kentl]

Originally Posted by bowstaff981

Yes, when the only video games were giant arcade machines they probably did not think that people would purchase them for at home use and then sell them used. Obviously what we are talking about is video games made to be played at home. By the time that Nintendo decided to make the SNES they probably figured out that their business was here to stay.

No, compared to then to now, back then video games systems where for geeks and a few others who had no life’s, now days its consider a common house hold product and every one pretty much has one.

Which did not start till around the PS1 time, even then it was still a child’s toy.
they did not exspect MMILIIOons of gamers and adults to play them

and besides the SNES has nothing compared to sells now (btw SNES one of the greatist things ever made )

also just so you know your talking about a big game compony that makes its own system
what about the others that dont have that kind of Money?


another thing is by law I'm not sure they chould get in to the used games with out making a store, once some one buys it it is theirs

[bowstaff981]

Originally Posted by Kentl

No, compared to then to now, back then video games systems where for geeks and a few others who had no life’s, now days its consider a common house hold product and every one pretty much has one.

This doesn't make any sense at all. It doesn't matter what type of people uses the system and games, they still sold millions of them in the 80's. When the first North American shipment of SNES sold out in hours in the 90's they were probably pretty certain that the industry was here to stay.

Originally Posted by Kentl

Which did not start till around the PS1 time, even then it was still a child’s toy.
they did not exspect MMILIIOons of gamers and adults to play them

Simply not true at all.

Originally Posted by Kentl

and besides the SNES has nothing compared to sells now (btw SNES one of the greatist things ever made )

Once again not true. The SNES has outsold the Gamecube, the Xbox, the Xbox 360, and the ps3. The Wii, playstation, and ps2 have all outsold the SNES by quite a bit, but saying that the SNES sales are nothing compared to current system sales is a stretch.

Originally Posted by Kentl

also just so you know your talking about a big game compony that makes its own system
what about the others that dont have that kind of Money?

If there was a store (which we've already established would be a shaky business) then it would probably be run by the system creator (Nintendo, Sony, Sega etc.) and they would give a portion of profits of used games to the actual game publisher.

Originally Posted by Kentl

another thing is by law I'm not sure they chould get in to the used games with out making a store, once some one buys it it is theirs

This doesn't really make any sense. Why would Nintendo not be allowed to sell used games if Gamestop can?

[Kentl]

Originally Posted by bowstaff981

This doesn't make any sense at all. It doesn't matter what type of people uses the system and games, they still sold millions of them in the 80's. When the first North American shipment of SNES sold out in hours in the 90's they were probably pretty certain that the industry was here to stay.

yes but , just becuse something seals millions does not maen its here to stay (see any one hit wonder abulm or prduct)

Originally Posted by bowstaff981

Once again not true. The SNES has outsold the Gamecube, the Xbox, the Xbox 360, and the ps3. The Wii, playstation, and ps2 have all outsold the SNES by quite a bit, but saying that the SNES sales are nothing compared to current system sales is a stretch.

yes but its been out how long? and is now consider a clasic
back in its day it was not that big of a deal (not to the numbers of 61,780,000, which was guessed in 2005) it sold a lot but how many came after they stoped making games for it?
how many after someone played the ps1 or the gamecube? or any other

like comics or paintings they arint worth much or sold billions in till it dies then its big and classic

Originally Posted by bowstaff981

If there was a store (which we've already established would be a shaky business) then it would probably be run by the system creator (Nintendo, Sony, Sega etc.) and they would give a portion of profits of used games to the actual game publisher.

one problem by law the store does not have to so why whould they?
they are not going to give mooney when they dont have to
which means a store is a no go, so the only way for them to earn monny from it is to do what they are doing now

Originally Posted by bowstaff981

This doesn't really make any sense. Why would Nintendo not be allowed to sell used games if Gamestop can?

i did not say that so me where i put that
no i mean by law once someone buys something it is theirs if they sell it the maker does not get paid
so someone sells to gamestop a sega game, sega cant earn monny from it becuse they dont own that game any more, so they either do what they are doing now or open up a store only way they can earn monny

[bowstaff981]

Originally Posted by Kentl

yes but , just becuse something seals millions does not maen its here to stay (see any one hit wonder abulm or prduct)

Well obviously other companies foresaw that the game industry would be great for a used market, that's why there are Gamestops all over the place. If these people could see it coming then Nintendo's analysts should have as well.

Originally Posted by Kentl

yes but its been out how long? and is now consider a clasic
back in its day it was not that big of a deal (not to the numbers of 61,780,000, which was guessed in 2005) it sold a lot but how many came after they stoped making games for it?
how many after someone played the ps1 or the gamecube? or any other

Not that big of a deal? Every person I knew as a kid that could afford an SNES, Genesis, or Playstation had one. Are you saying that more people purchased SNES after 1999 (when it was discontinued) or 2000 (when the last game was made for it) than during it's prime? I highly doubt this to be true. People may pay more money for an SNES now, but people are not buying more of them now than during the mid to late 90's.

Originally Posted by Kentl

one problem by law the store does not have to so why whould they?
they are not going to give mooney when they dont have to
which means a store is a no go, so the only way for them to earn monny from it is to do what they are doing now

Sure, Nintendo wouldn't have to give any money to the publishers, but they could if they want to. The fact that they wouldn't be forced to do so does not mean that they couldn't do it.

We are just going around in circles here so there really is not point in continuing the conversation.

[Jeffrey]

As a non-gamer, I just have to say that gamers will vote with their wallets. It's entirely fair for the game companies to see how much money they can make. If players respond negatively, not just in forum posts (not a slight to anyone here) but in how they purchase games, then the game companies will change their minds. Frankly, I don't think it will make a difference. Gamers tend to have a lot of disposable income and a propensity to complain while still salivating over every rumor or update related to a big buzz game (with the buzz carefully managed by corporate-sympathetic "press").

Again, this is not a slight on Bowstaff or others here. Look, I'm a geek here as well. I've managed to turn most of my purchasing powers to academic works on Mesopotamia, Classical Europe, and analytic philosophy in the past few years, but I still drink from many founts connected to the stream of geekdom.

And guess what? We're a cash cow. We like to ☺☺☺☺☺ so much that we buy bad products or see bad movies just to complain. We get worked up over new films, games, books, etc., only to howl when we're burned once again. And it starts all over.

Look at the superhero comics fandom. Sales are slipping. The companies are doing exactly what they did in the 90's -- make overly-priced and overly-violent comics that stray away from the major characters. Fans clamor for books that are back to basics, accessible to new readers, but still sympathetic to continuity. Guess what? Batman's "dead," Captain America was "dead," the Hulk became a calculated killer, Iron Man became a fascist, Superman's been temporarily replaced (AGAIN!!!!), Wonder Woman has a new secret identity...kind of, and the Justice League is staffed entirely by second-stringer heroes that fans don't want to see and new readers don't know. Both companies are still doing drawn-out crossovers that require fifty bucks a month to keep up with.

Yet, DC and Marvel are hurting. Fans are voting with their dollars. So we're seeing more and more classic and new trades being released (this is good for fans) and occasional ten cent or one dollar comics released by the Big Two (this is also good for fans). Our favorite heroes are being adapted more and more for movies and cartoons, meaning we can enjoy them in "classic," "newbie-friendly" versions (this is also good for fans).

Fortunately, a good quality superhero comic can be obtained from third-party publishers OR obtained online (from self-published creators). You gamers don't have that luxury.

So, vote with your dollar. Do you really need to own and play that latest multi-player shooter that will be replaced in a year? No? Then don't buy it. Does $20 seem unreasonable when tacked onto a used game price? Then don't pay it. Prove that it's unreasonable by not buying it.

But I suspect gamers are a captive audience and will keep buying.

Other geek fandoms have become easier-to-access due to the Internet and new technology. Gaming isn't there yet, but one day it'll be viable for third party publishers to get quality works directly to the gamer. Until then, cough it up or read a book.

I recommend H.G. Wells.

[normajean777]

Originally Posted by Kentl

yes but , just becuse something seals millions does not maen its here to stay (see any one hit wonder abulm or prduct)

I'm really not sure what your point is in any of these points?

None of the video game publishers expect any of there games to remain current. That is precisely why we have planned obsolense and new games and systems in the pipeline all the time. The product life cycle for a madden game is about 6 months. They simply do not expect anybody to buy Madden09 in after the 2009 season. People do sometimes, and sure they may buy them resale but these products are meant to go obsolete because they become outdated, and there are products ready to replace them.

Game systems simply get replaced by the next one (ps2 by ps3) or die off completely if no one buys. That does not mean they were not big profit makers or worthwhile.

I don't really know how to reply because your points are mostly false, or are unrelated to each other.

[Kentl]

Originally Posted by normajean777

I'm really not sure what your point is in any of these points?

None of the video game publishers expect any of there games to remain current. That is precisely why we have planned obsolense and new games and systems in the pipeline all the time. The product life cycle for a madden game is about 6 months. They simply do not expect anybody to buy Madden09 in after the 2009 season. People do sometimes, and sure they may buy them resale but these products are meant to go obsolete because they become outdated, and there are products ready to replace them.

Game systems simply get replaced by the next one (ps2 by ps3) or die off completely if no one buys. That does not mean they were not big profit makers or worthwhile.

I don't really know how to reply because your points are mostly false, or are unrelated to each other.

My point is did you know back when the snes was out that almost every house will have a game system and it will be common as TV?

what is fales? so me proof (you cant becuse their is none becuse i spent the last hour looking for reall SNES sale vales on yahoo and google)

I'm saying evrey one said they where fads and they whould pass away like poekmon or any other kid toy but that is not the case
back then they where not planing the the gen as soon as the old one came out
they did not have the next zelda came in five months it was not a set in stone thing like it is now


But your right this does not mater so lets drop it, if you want to talk about it send a pm or tell me to make the thread