which approach?

Chups01098 · 02-28-2010, 03:01 PM

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Well there you go, more information about Kurt's setup than I ever knew! Thanks for the info

One thing to think about with the blackface fender's is what type of overdrive sound you want. The bf amps have a big round low end, slightly scooped mids and a bright top end. This can work well for some types of overdrive, but you have to be careful with higher gain. The wrong pedal can make it sound shrill on the top end. You also don't get a good low end response for that nice chunk and chug in chords.

The Hot Rod and BJ amps are a bit closer to the older Fender Tweed style amps. A Pro Junior is all Tweed with a little Marshall thrown in as it breaks up.

Like Bill said, a Fender will give you a really smooth tone with overdrive pedals in front. If you like the Dumble thing, then this is the way to go. However, some people feel it's too smooth, especially for rhythm tones and such. You may want to look at a second pedal for that type of sound if you go the Fender + Zendrive route.

Another "dumble-in-a-box" pedal worth looking at is the Jetter Gain Stage Red. Jetter is kinda newer to the game, but have some impressive sounding stuff out there.

One other question, when you say you've not liked Fender distortion, what are you referring to? What is it that you've played that you don't like?
Fender amps all break up in very different ways and give you lots of different types of distortion. A Hot Rod overdrive channel is going to give you a different sound than a Pro Sonic overdrive channel. A black face Deluxe sounds much different than a tweed Deluxe. They both sound very different than a Bassman pushed or a Super Reverb. And all of them sound different with a pedal for distortion rather than the amp.

what kind of a pedal makes a good rhythym chunk? jekyll and hyde maybe?

***BillSPrestonEsq*** · 02-28-2010, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Chups01098

what kind of a pedal makes a good rhythym chunk? jekyll and hyde maybe?

Not being snarky here, but maybe. Depends on what you are looking for. Crunchbox is a Marshall-like pedal I quite like, but then, I am mostly a high gain guy. What sound precisely you are going to want for rhythm is going to determine the proper matches for you. Modded DS-1's with the Keeley SEM are also really fun IMO.

Other potential options include throwing a boost in front of a zendrive. (Everybody should own a BDAB or two)

**thesteve** · 02-28-2010, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BillSPrestonEsq

Not being snarky here, but maybe. Depends on what you are looking for. Crunchbox is a Marshall-like pedal I quite like, but then, I am mostly a high gain guy. What sound precisely you are going to want for rhythm is going to determine the proper matches for you. Modded DS-1's with the Keeley SEM are also really fun IMO.

Other potential options include throwing a boost in front of a zendrive. (Everybody should own a BDAB or two)

I was thinking the same thing Bill. Right now my go to big, distorted rhythm sound is my RAT 2, but for a chunky, less dirty rhythm sound I've been using the SEM setting on my DS-1. I've also got a SBN prototype box that I still need to review that does a pretty good job.

**Rainer.** · 02-28-2010, 06:11 PM

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what kind of a pedal makes a good rhythym chunk? jekyll and hyde maybe?

I have about 5 different amp tones I use for "rhythm chunk"...

What specifically are you looking for? Got a band or song name we can go off of?

Jimmy Page's rhythm chunk is pretty different from Kirk Hammett's.

Ax · 02-28-2010, 07:16 PM

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what kind of a pedal makes a good rhythym chunk? jekyll and hyde maybe?

Personally I like a good Fuzz pedal for my Chunk (I use the Cool Cat Fuzz from Dan-O). There's about 20 different ways to achieve it and they all sound different. I'm with Jon, bands? Styles?

One thing to think about is maybe get some Dan Electro pedals. The cool cat line are really tops and you wont spend a ton of money.

Chups01098 · 02-28-2010, 09:51 PM

question. how accurate are the pod models? ecause after messing with different ones with different pedals, i like the vox tones more than the fenders, and the vox and marshalls are equal to me.

is this an ok representation of vox tone? the left side is the ac30 fawn model, the right side is a ac15, and the lead is a 30 top boost. is this kinda the sound of real vox?

**Rainer.** · 02-28-2010, 10:08 PM

Why don't you play a real Vox and decide for yourself?

My impression, yes, it's fairly accurate, but the POD is modeling one specific amp that amps you find at the store are gonna be different from.

Ax · 02-28-2010, 10:18 PM

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Why don't you play a real Vox and decide for yourself?

My impression, yes, it's fairly accurate, but the POD is modeling one specific amp that amps you find at the store are gonna be different from.

Agreed. Go to your flgs and jam on a Night Train. I think you'll like it quite a bit. be sure to switch to the fat side and see what you think.

Chups01098 · 02-28-2010, 10:26 PM

flgs? and i will try out some voxes and nighttrains next time i go to gc. its just a good drive away so its kinda hard.

and i have tried the night train. i love it. only, it seems to lack versatility. the thick channel was my favortie, but it didnt seem to cut through too well

**nbfan** · 02-28-2010, 10:45 PM

if they're in stock, check out a Bugera. I know I'll take flak for this, but I really enjoy it's tone. It's at least worth a test drive.

**Rainer.** · 02-28-2010, 10:58 PM

If they're in stock, try a Jet City. Easily the best amp for the price being made today.

Chups01098 · 02-28-2010, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Rainer.

If they're in stock, try a Jet City. Easily the best amp for the price being made today.

cool also for rhythym. but it didnt seem to cut or have that shine for lead tones

**Rainer.** · 03-01-2010, 01:36 AM

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cool also for rhythym. but it didnt seem to cut or have that shine for lead tones

I'd do it with a SBN BDAB.

Sorry to bring pedals back into the equation, but a Soldano-voiced amp and a BDAB is a killer combo.

Chups01098 · 03-01-2010, 08:40 AM

what is this BDAB everyone talks about? and whats a pedal equivilant to it i could try out at gc?

mulletman · 03-01-2010, 08:46 AM

It's a 'Big Daddy Amp Blaster' made by SBN Pedals.

SBNPedals Hand Made Pedals, Home Grown Tone

Basically, it's just a clean boost pedal, and a really good one. I have one of his other pedals, and it's awesome as well. I'll be ordering a BDAB sooner rather than later....