[nolidad]

Originally Posted by Epaphras

Noli,

The Nazis put a lot of Germans to work, and contracted with a lot of companies (IBM comes to mind...they were behind the bar-codes tattooed on concentration camp victims). Just because an industry or sector of the government employs a lot of people or keeps certain industries afloat, does not mean it is right or good.

As I said before, the US military-industrial complex is by far the greatest threat to global security today. It is very sad and very scary how wrapped up our economy and our politics (not to mention our civil religion) is to promoting, provoking, and prolonging war.

I would place Iran, N. Korea and China as greater threats to global security than the American Military Industrial complex.--

But yeah we have wrapped too much of our economy in making warfare-Eisenhower warned and we wouldn't listen and now we are paying for our national arrogance.

Bar codes weren't on Jewish prisoners- numbers were. Bar codes weren't around in WW2.

And in case you aren't aware of what I was doing- I was being sarcastic to Jerry. That is my style and I was responding to his false premise of all health care employees beiing employees of the DHHS (specifically medicare). I was neither placing any moral or ethical value to this debate- just making a point.

slap j writes: Anyway, you and noli probably agree that the government has a right to spend on national defense. The question is how much is spent and how it is allotted. Is it proper to spend that money maintaining US military bases in 63 different countries? Is it proper to spend that money to station US troops in 153 different countries? Etc.

Danielsahn is very wise here

It oges to whether one believes in the pax americana and what role this country should play and who should pick up the tab for our basing troops on foreign shores (my belief is that barring a time of war- if htey want us there they should pay).

[JerryLove]

Originally Posted by nolidad

I was wondering how long it would take for you to start with hypocrisy again. And I agree it would be if we said apples and bananas are equal but profits of a company and % of a budget are different things altogether. If .5% is no big deal to you--please send me a check for 1/2 of that .5%- cashier check preffered

So my belief that 5% is more signifigant than 0.5% is hypocracy, and your contrary belief is what?

Actually: what constructive purpose does this aside even have. You seem to be trying to distract from the issue.

So if we go to every doctor, nurse and custodian in a hosdpital and every pharmacist- they will terll us they are emplyed by teh Federal Govt under medicare? Not even you are that gullible .

Nor will everyone who gets their money out of the defense budget either. My counting eberyone who gets money from the DOD, but then only allowing direct employees of Medicare in comparison, you are hypocritical.

But we will play- every contractor, sub contractor, and sub contracotr of sub contractors of industries hired by the DOD are now DOD employess, Hereis a partial list:

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So teh defense dept has far more employees under contract. I could provide a further list of subcontractors if you like furthering the DOD over medicare!

You didn't list more people than are employed in healthcare... not even the limited (14million) I mentioned.

[nolidad]

Nor will everyone who gets their money out of the defense budget either. My counting eberyone who gets money from the DOD, but then only allowing direct employees of Medicare in comparison, you are hypocritical.

Jerry Jerry Jerry, you do crack me up. I counted direct members of the armed forces and the full time civilian employees of the DoD and you go and say every pharmacist and doctor and nurse is an employee of medicare and I am a hyporcrite caused I listed every defense contractor to play your inane little game with you????

Jerry move this to a new thread and for a change lets try to keep a thread on topic. This is about the tea parties and why is there so much negativity about soccer moms, grannies, NRA folk et al (yes there are some militant elements involved). I say the far left especially those in Acedemia like Amy Bishop and David Green are a far greater threat to the people and Republic than sign toting tea partiers who meet once a month, look at candidates positions and figure out how to survive the coming economic downturn and gather (most of them for the first time) to say they are scared for their kids and country.

[JerryLove]

Originally Posted by nolidad

Jerry Jerry Jerry, you do crack me up. I counted direct members of the armed forces and the full time civilian employees of the DoD and you go and say every pharmacist and doctor and nurse is an employee of medicare and I am a hyporcrite caused I listed every defense contractor to play your inane little game with you????

No, you are a hypocrit for changing your standards to suit your argument.

Of course the military has more employees than the medicare division of the DOH. Your original comment was on job creation.

If anything: a consistant position would be to support medicare *more* because more of the money goes to private industries rather than "bloated" government.

So why do you draw a conclusion diametrically opposed the one your other positions (smaller government) require?

That's the hypocracy. You are currently arguing that the DOD is "better" because more of the money is "in the government".

[nolidad]

Of course the military has more employees than the medicare division of the DOH. Your original comment was on job creation.


Here is my original comment you are writing on:

So you can see that of this 2 trillion dollars dfense is less than a third. And in the 3.8 trillion dollar budget it os only about 15% of the fed budget. While i am not a big war hawk, of all the money spent by teh fed- teh defense budget gets more people employed than everyother expenditure by the govt. combined.

I regret the term gets cause that implies job crfeation (though for a govt. dpet the defense dept still creates more jobs both in service, civilian and contracted jobs) when I intended that more people are working through the DOD my apologies.

That's the hypocracy. You are currently arguing that the DOD is "better" because more of the money is "in the government".

Not in teh least- stop twisting my words.

So why do you draw a conclusion diametrically opposed the one your other positions (smaller government) require?

I was showing facts not making any value judgments- quit trying to make my conclusions for me.

If anything: a consistant position would be to support medicare *more* because more of the money goes to private industries rather than "bloated" government.

And all this is irrelevant to tehis thread- start a new thread if you wish to discuss this and insult me more on this issue.

No, you are a hypocrit for changing your standards to suit your argument.

No- for changing you rperceptions of what you think I am arguing about but not about at all what I was talking about-- but satart a new thread if you want to debate this and insult me more. I want to talk about the tea parties on the tea party thread.

[JerryLove]

Originally Posted by nolidad

And in the 3.8 trillion dollar budget it os only about 15% of the fed budget.

I had forgotten that *only* comment. Doesn't make your harping that 0.5% is a lot look very honest does it

[nolidad]

Originally Posted by JerryLove

I had forgotten that *only* comment. Doesn't make your harping that 0.5% is a lot look very honest does it

Once again Jerry you are making a mountain out of a molehill-- But send me a cashiers check for simply 1/10th of that .5% I will be happy

To amke you happy we will now offically remove the $19 billion in earmarks (aka pork barrell spending) form the debate. So get back on topic . PLEASE??

[JerryLove]

Originally Posted by nolidad

Once again Jerry you are making a mountain out of a molehill-- But send me a cashiers check for simply 1/10th of that .5% I will be happy

Sure. I'll take it out of the $900,000,000,000 you are sending me for the "only" 15% you were defending.

[Role Modlin]

Maybe you guys should continue this via PM.