[nolidad]

Originally Posted by JerryLove

Someone looking for the truth would have kept reading.

Try reading James Hanson's response at the bottom of page fifty if reality is remotely concerning to you.

well try reading page 49- they confirn 1934 as teh warmest year of the century. They do not refute th earticle they qoute from. Thanks for buttessing my case. I do appreciate it. Show me stuff like that anytime!~

Your off the cuff insults let me know I must be really on the right track! If you were nice to me, I would have to do a lot of double checking at where I went wrong.

[nolidad]

here are just a few web sites showing why we need to take a deep breath, step back and slow down all the babble about global warming before trillions of dollars no one can afford is spent on stuff we may notr need or even effectively be able to use for a long time to come.

NASA Admits Wrongdoing In Not Allowing Top Scientist To Discuss Climate Change Research | SpaceRef - Your Space Reference

The world has never seen such freezing heat - Telegraph

Warmest October Claim Was Wrong, NASA Admits - by James M. Taylor - Environment & Climate News

[JerryLove]

Originally Posted by nolidad

well try reading page 49- they confirn 1934 as teh warmest year of the century. They do not refute th earticle they qoute from. Thanks for buttessing my case. I do appreciate it. Show me stuff like that anytime!~

Yes. NASA's website says the same thing.

It said the same thing 10 years ago. It said the same thing 20 years ago (regarding 1934, 1998 was not there 20 years ago). The US experienced it's warmest year of the 20th century in 1934. (the US represents about 2% of the Earth's surface).

You say this as though you are sharing some ephiphany. This has been established a very long time. There's no-one who has said otherwise. You are hacking at a straw man and hoping we notice that you have bubkus to offer on global warming.

Heaven knows that if you even understood the claims, must less the support, of GW: you wouldn't be wasting time with something as irrellevent as a single year over a small portion of the globe... unless you were very dishonest.

here are just a few web sites showing

Showing that you can't defend a poisition if your life depended on it. Your claim about your link was wrong. You were wrong when you claimed what it said. You were wrong in claiming that it was covered up. You were completely and utterly wrong.

Now you post some more random snippets from whatever your denier-of-the-day site is so that you can abandon supporting them too.

[nolidad]

You say this as though you are sharing some ephiphany. This has been established a very long time. There's no-one who has said otherwise. You are hacking at a straw man and hoping we notice that you have bubkus to offer on global warming.

So we are agreed teh 1990's was not the warmest decade on record! Good we can expunge your earlier declarations.

Well for bupkus-- I just post dozens of scientists and journalists showing that CRU "massaged" the data (outfright lied in many cases).

So many of the claims of the AGW crowd have now been proven to be either outright false or skewed to make it appear warmer.

Once again the irrefutable facts

We have had globasl warmin and global cooling, followed by global warming- followed by global cooling (globally now since 2002). And once this cooling trend is over you know what???????????? WE WILL HAVE GLOBAL WARMING AGAIN

But the facts that his highness Al Gore and Jones and others have said that are now debunked and proven false.

Artic sea ice is at near staistical norms (they forgot about ice that was only as large as California)

The antarctic has more ice now than before

Teh Himalayas are not losing their glaciers.

Africa is having good crops.

Manns hockey stick has been thourougholy discredited except to teh most devoted AGW acolytes.

CRU doctoerd temp readings to advance their political agenda.

Teh satelittes were calibrated with erroneous data giving erroneous readings.

The urbanization of many temperature stations was not factored in (that would be thousand sof them) thus artifically raising temperatures

Russian temp stations in cold climes were not included in the CRU or read 10o higher than actual.

I dont have to know bupkus- cause I know the facts. Tehy said the 2000's is now the warmest decade on record but that is just another statemetn being retracted.

More and more teh truth that this settled scsience is completely being unsttled is happening worldwide. Only ostriches don't want to face up that AGW is not happening ala Al Gores, Ted DAnson and all teh other doom and gloom sayers said it would (not might).

Someone should tell Al Gore that things he still says is true- ain't no more.

Heaven knows that if you even understood the claims, must less the support, of GW: you wouldn't be wasting time with something as irrellevent as a single year over a small portion of the globe... unless you were very dishonest.

And when you can't rebut the truth- you just revert back to personal smears.

Read the whole thread Jerry- you will get an epiphany- that I have been dealing with a whole lot more than a single year- but a campaign of distortion by scientists (knowingly ) and intentional lying and misusing inffo, and hiding the data to support their agenda - most of the time for ----OH NO MONEY!!!!!! Is there no hope left????

Yeah teh UK Telegraph, Teh wall Street Journal and the Washington Times and Oakland register and NASA and NOAA yeah those nasty truth denying rightr wing conspirators who want to kill us all with their nasty CO2. Wow Jerry you are desperate now aren't you.

I noticed you haven't added one source to back up your refutation of all I have put up-- If you do please check the date on it- Make sure it is material post CRU climate gate. Even teh IPCC is beginning to back away a little bit from them-- They still all are big AGW folk but they are all scrambling as more and more of their settled science unravels and drops to teh cutting room floor.

[JerryLove]

Originally Posted by nolidad

So we are agreed teh 1990's was not the warmest decade on record! Good we can expunge your earlier declarations.

What possible (honest) method can be used to get from "1934 was hotter in the US than 1998", to your new entierly unrelated comment?

But your statement is correct. I agree that 1990-1999 was not the warmest decade on record: 2000-2009 was.

[nolidad]

Showing that you can't defend a poisition if your life depended on it. Your claim about your link was wrong. You were wrong when you claimed what it said. You were wrong in claiming that it was covered up. You were completely and utterly wrong.

Well Jerry you need to come into this year of 2010 even liberal sites like CNN
But we do have nice parting gifts for playing well.

Now you post some more random snippets from whatever your denier-of-the-day site is so that you can abandon supporting them too.

Yeah I know teh WSJ, BBC and Scientists are such lousy sites-- far less than your willy "wonk" blog site with the oompah loompahs.

Heaven knows that if you even understood the claims, must less the support, of GW: you wouldn't be wasting time with something as irrellevent as a single year over a small portion of the globe... unless you were very dishonest.

Well heaven knows how much I do know and it is more than you would ever give me credit for. And once again we are not talking GW--but AGW. Try to keep that straight PLEASE.

But your statement is correct. I agree that 1990-1999 was not the warmest decade on record: 2000-2009 was.

And that would be incorrect as we have been in a cooling trend since 2002 and record low temperatures have been set in over 40 countries this decade. China and Russia and the US have recorded some of th elowest temps in modern record keeping this decade. All the while the antarctic ice pack is at its largest in decades. Teh arctic sea is is doing fine. and the Himalayas aare still glacier full.


Just remember Jerry neither you nor I are climatologists. We get our info the same way- by reading and study. Your personal smear campaign notwithstanding- I do understand an "itsy bitsy teeny weeny... yellow polka" oops got carried away I do know what is going on.

But if you want something more scientific (Oh I forgot like me you are not a scientist either) Read this:

Disproving The Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) Problem « Watts Up With That?

[nolidad]

Jerry just to let you know- I do know bubkus-- Hes my wifes 2nd cousin married Betty Lou

[JerryLove]

Originally Posted by nolidad

Well Jerry you need to come into this year of 2010 even liberal sites like CNN

You didn't address what I said at all. You made a dishonest claim about a link *you provided*. I showed you it was dishonest. You changed the subject.

Well heaven knows how much I do know and it is more than you would ever give me credit for. And once again we are not talking GW--but AGW. Try to keep that straight PLEASE.

You are denying that the Earth is getting warmer. That was the entire thrust of your last several posts (which dishonestly claimed that the 1930s was the warmest decade on record).

You are, again, attempting to change the topic.

And that would be incorrect as we have been in a cooling trend since 2002 and record low temperatures have been set in over 40 countries this decade. China and Russia and the US have recorded some of th elowest temps in modern record keeping this decade. All the while the antarctic ice pack is at its largest in decades. Teh arctic sea is is doing fine. and the Himalayas aare still glacier full.

So you made a single claim and put up a cite. The cite showed your claim to be a lie. I called you on it, and so now you put up a bunch of claims with no cites.

And that would be incorrect as we have been in a cooling trend since 2002 and record low temperatures have been set in over 40 countries this decade.

Just remember Jerry neither you nor I are climatologists. We get our info the same way- by reading and study. Your personal smear campaign notwithstanding- I do understand an "itsy bitsy teeny weeny... yellow polka" oops got carried away I do know what is going on.

I can tell up from down, let me spell out your lie (and my truth) that 2000-2009 was the warmest decade on record. You made several antecdotal claims with no support, I'll counter with actual statistics and citation:


I can also read:
NASA - 2009: Second Warmest Year on Record; End of Warmest Decade

Originally Posted by NASA

2009 was tied for the second warmest year in the modern record
[...]
January 2000 to December 2009 was the warmest decade on record.

BTW: They *are* climatologists.

[nolidad]

Originally Posted by JerryLove

You didn't address what I said at all. You made a dishonest claim about a link *you provided*. I showed you it was dishonest. You changed the subject.

You are denying that the Earth is getting warmer. That was the entire thrust of your last several posts (which dishonestly claimed that the 1930s was the warmest decade on record).

You are, again, attempting to change the topic.

So you made a single claim and put up a cite. The cite showed your claim to be a lie. I called you on it, and so now you put up a bunch of claims with no cites.

I can tell up from down, let me spell out your lie (and my truth) that 2000-2009 was the warmest decade on record. You made several antecdotal claims with no support, I'll counter with actual statistics and citation:


I can also read:
NASA - 2009: Second Warmest Year on Record; End of Warmest Decade


BTW: They *are* climatologists.

And they are using materials supplied to and from CRU which have been largely debunked since climate gate broke.

This is another morph of Manns hockey stick which has been debunked.

So several thousand climatologists writing the IPCC telling them that AGW claims are way overblown should just be dismissed as Gore said: flat earthers, holocaust deniers??

It has been shown that CRU "massaged the data that produced graphs like you posted ands I linked to that.

It has also been shown that they discarded the raw data so it can no longer be reviewed by anyone else.

It has also been proven that they sought to manipulate the "peer review process" to exclude sceptics and to blackball journals that would print contrary views.

And all my little irrelevant posts were point by point rebuttals to so many of the things the "climatologists" showed as proof of AGW. Show teh bulk of the evidence is wrong, show they sought to keep out contrrary views, show that they destroyed the original data, show they intnentionally fudged numbers and what do you have left????

An extraordinary weak case for AGW being the factor they claim is "settled science".

Disproving The Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) Problem « Watts Up With That?

Once they allow more independent review of the data, and they remove the anomolies that caused as much as a 10o too high temperature reading for some areas, and they factor back in teh antarctic and Russian colder climes, and allow the sceptics equal rights to review their data- tehn we may find out exaclty what kind of role man made pollution causes in GW. Until then, I'll gladly keep posting the continuing defections and from AGW and the individual scientists and groups that "modify" hteir stance as more and more of the climate gate scandal reveals the depth of disingeniousness went into the conclusions drawn.

Remember the Himalayan Glaciers vanishing by 2035- was not a scientific study but a college papaer submitted by an undergraduate wh odidn't even go to the mountains to reseach.

[JerryLove]

Originally Posted by nolidad

And they are using materials supplied to and from CRU which have been largely debunked since climate gate broke.

You already tried that tactic. You put up a cite which you said showed NASA changing 1998 to be hotter than 1934.

I showed you, from your own cite, that that was entirely untrue. Now you are repeating your claims again, and again, without ever offering any explanation why every time I follow you down that rabbit hole I expose you in a lie.

So several thousand climatologists writing the IPCC telling them that AGW claims are way overblown should just be dismissed as Gore said: flat earthers, holocaust deniers??

You said you were not a climatologist, are you now a statistitian?

I didn't think so.

After a fashion: I actually am though.

It has been shown that CRU "massaged the data that produced graphs like you posted ands I linked to that.

Yes. Let's revisit my response (which you have since pretended didn't exist) shall we?

Originally Posted by nolidad

well try reading page 49- they confirn 1934 as teh warmest year of the century. They do not refute th earticle they qoute from. Thanks for buttessing my case. I do appreciate it. Show me stuff like that anytime!~

Yes. NASA's website says the same thing.

It said the same thing 10 years ago. It said the same thing 20 years ago (regarding 1934, 1998 was not there 20 years ago). The US experienced it's warmest year of the 20th century in 1934. (the US represents about 2% of the Earth's surface).

You say this as though you are sharing some ephiphany. This has been established a very long time. There's no-one who has said otherwise. You are hacking at a straw man and hoping we notice that you have bubkus to offer on global warming.

Heaven knows that if you even understood the claims, must less the support, of GW: you wouldn't be wasting time with something as irrellevent as a single year over a small portion of the globe... unless you were very dishonest.

I do, however, appriciate that you followed orders and proceeded to post "some more random snippets from whatever your denier-of-the-day site is so that you can abandon supporting them too."

I'm sure after you attack me for the above you'll post more random snippits to hope people get confused enough by the volume and repitition to miss the dishonesty.

[adamwagg]

I think we've reached a logical end of useful discussion in this thread so I'll close it. If anyone has a problem with that PM me and we'll go from there.