[slap_j]

Originally Posted by Michael_rev

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"The IQ scores in both males and females declined with increasing fluoride exposure."

Did you note the exaggerated fluoride levels? 2.47 ± 0.79 mg/L. The WHO suggests .5 to 1.0 mg/L (bottom of page 19).

Just about any therapeutic agent, in the wrong levels, is toxic.

[tlj009]

Did you note the exaggerated fluoride levels? 2.47 ± 0.79 mg/L. The WHO suggests .5 to 1.0 mg/L (bottom of page 19).

Just about any therapeutic agent, in the wrong levels, is toxic.

Water is toxic at high levels of consumption.

[Michael_rev]

Originally Posted by slap_j

Did you note the exaggerated fluoride levels? 2.47 ± 0.79 mg/L. The WHO suggests .5 to 1.0 mg/L (bottom of page 19).

Just about any therapeutic agent, in the wrong levels, is toxic.

And arenic is safe at a certain level too. Whatever im done here. Even if president obama himself came on tv and said fluoridation of water is bad, you would probably still deny it. I dont care anymore. Im done with this forum. I have more productive things to do. like enjoy the real world instead of staying at a computer all day like the moderators here. Peace out!

[slap_j]

Originally Posted by Michael_rev

And arenic is safe at a certain level too.

Precisely. And is even used to treat cancer patients.

[WorshipJesus]

Originally Posted by Michael_rev

And arenic is safe at a certain level too. Whatever im done here. Even if president obama himself came on tv and said fluoridation of water is bad, you would probably still deny it. I dont care anymore. Im done with this forum. I have more productive things to do. like enjoy the real world instead of staying at a computer all day like the moderators here. Peace out!

Chlorine in its pure form is just as destructive to the human body as fluoride in its pure form, but both at minuscule levels can be helpful. When chlorine comes in contact with moisture, such as your lungs, it produces hydrochloric and hypochlorous acids which will dissolve the inside of your lungs, throat, and mouth; and fluoride will eat through stuff its so acidic.

But in right concentrations they can be helpful. Chlorine kills pathogens such as bacteria, certain viruses, and some other pathogens. The downside to putting chlorine in the water is when the hydrochloric and hypochlorous react with organic carbons they create Trihalomethanes and Halo Acedic Acid 5s. These disinfectant by-products are carcinogens, but they are regulated to the point to where the possibility of getting cancer from these DPBs is only if you drink a few liters of water a day for 70-80 years. So here's the dilemma: put a chemical in the water that can kill pathogens that cause many gastrointestinal diseases (e.coli, salmonella, etc.) or drink the pathogens so we don't have to deal with minuscule (and I mean minuscule) amounts of carcinogens in the water. If it wasn't for chlorination/chloramination, people would be dying everyday from drinking untreated water. But since chlorine by itself is dangerous and it can create dangerous by products when added to water, we should get rid of it [/sarcasm]..

As for fluoride... Fluorosilicic acid is a by-product of making fertilizer, but what many of these activists fail to tell you is that fluorosilicic acid is a side-product of removing phosphoric and hydrofluoric acids from minerals by with the use of sulfuric acid, not synthetically engineered chemicals or feces. Yes, the production of these fluorosilicic acids is a man-made method, but it isn't at all what these activists would have you believe it to be. You can find the process here.. Hexafluorosilicic acid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Just like chlorine, fluoride is dangerous by itself, but it can be a helpful tool when used correctly.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Michael_rev

Even if president obama himself came on tv and said fluoridation of water is bad, you would probably still deny it.

Two things

1) Who are you to play the "YOU DON"T LISTEN TO ANYONE" card? You flat out said, "If more than one dentist says its bad and a million say its good, im going to beleive its bad. Im not taking any risks." You proudly declared you would IGNORE the recommendation of 1,000,000 dentists and only listen to those who affirm your position.

2) Your argument here is a perfect example of the flaw with all of your reasoning. All along your position has been built around quoting individuals and appealing to their authority...this doctor said this...this study says this...this video says this...instead of (1) using common sense (100s of millions are drinking fluoride and no one seems to be getting sick or having symptoms); (2) looking to the general consensus of 1,000s of dentists, studies, and doctors.

I dont care anymore. Im done with this forum. I have more productive things to do. like enjoy the real world instead of staying at a computer all day like the moderators here. Peace out!

You decided your parting words would be an insult to all of the moderators? Really?

[Rainer.]

Originally Posted by Michael_rev

I have more productive things to do. like enjoy the real world instead of staying at a computer all day like the moderators here. Peace out!

Actually, I spend most of my day working on my degree in physiological neuroscience... I spend a lot of my other time helping others properly interpret scientific data, and make sure I'm properly interpreting scientific data myself.

In all honesty I'm saying the same things to you that I would be saying to any fellow colleague who comes to me with a set of papers and requests that I draw a conclusion about water treatment from the data contained within the papers...

Just because I disagree with you on a scholarly basis is no reason to get upset... this is how dialogues work in research settings - you present data, and debate the validity of conclusion that may be drawn from the data. I've been drawing my own conclusions citing data, and debating the validity of your conclusions with you as a colleague.

If you're so worried about it, why not go to school, harness your free-thinking mind to the study of chemistry, biology, and medicine, and apply to work in a research lab that will collect data that will help turn the tides of water fluoridation in America?

But in any case, see ya.

[RadioHead67]

ive had mixed feeling about this since my dentists doesnt seem to agree with water fluoridation too, and i seem to be getting dental fluorosis as well. I dont know if its dangerous or not but my teeth are definately messed up. I need to start flossing more

[WorshipJesus]

Originally Posted by RadioHead67

ive had mixed feeling about this since my dentists doesnt seem to agree with water fluoridation too, and i seem to be getting dental fluorosis as well. I dont know if its dangerous or not but my teeth are definately messed up. I need to start flossing more

I'm not a dentist, but considering the concentrations and the fact you might be using fluoridated toothpaste, (in my opinion) you're probably getting fluorosis from your toothpaste and not your water. Here are the concentrations:

Fluoridated toothpaste- 0.24%, also 2,400 mg/L (this is the concentration of fluoride in my toothpaste)

Fluoridated water- 0.0000001%-0.000002%, also 0.1-2.0 mg/L. (0.000002%, 2 mg/L being the legal limit)

[farouk]

The Jimmy Carter campaign buttons - all those teeth, smiling - remind me of fluoride....

[Ted Logan]

THE TRUTH COMES OUT!! Farouk is not Canadian!!