[Andrew]

Originally Posted by Bryan

it was an exaggeration. I have no idea what % of people use OGG. I'm aware that it's a better format, just isn't used widely.

Well, to be honest, I don't disagree with you. I don't know one single person in real life who actually uses OGG or Flac. It is such a pain to use them, and almost universally the people who do use them are pirating their music. And i don't know anyone who is smart enough to know how to pirate. (I am a reformed pirate, for full disclosure's sake.)

[Art]

Originally Posted by Andrew

Well, to be honest, I don't disagree with you. I don't know one single person in real life who actually uses OGG or Flac. It is such a pain to use them, and almost universally the people who do use them are pirating their music. And i don't know anyone who is smart enough to know how to pirate. (I am a reformed pirate, for full disclosure's sake.)

I use Ogg Vorbis, and I do not pirate.

Unfortunately, my music player is an iPod, so I do not use much ogg.

[Demon_Hunter]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_Ecy...ure=popt00us0a

(CAUTION: Language)


Watching this, this is kind of how I feel, only Im not yelling at people about it. Im just not buying the iPad until it can do more. Much more.

[Cam42]

How To Launch an Apple Product in 5 Easy Steps, Redux - apple tablet - Gizmodo



Perfect.

[Demon_Hunter]

Originally Posted by Cam42

How To Launch an Apple Product in 5 Easy Steps, Redux - apple tablet - Gizmodo



Perfect.

hahah


I think from the hitler vid, the thing that captures most what I was thinking was the line where he says "Iphone Apps? I wanted a ****ing computer!".

My lap top is nice, and I dont mind taking it with me when I go places, but Id rather have something about the size of the iPad, but with the same capabilities of my lap top.

[ApparentlyNothing]

Guys, this thing isn't intended to replace your laptop unless you only use your laptop for simple tasks like email, web browsing, etc. It's not supposed to be able to do everything your laptop can do. If that's what you want, then just keep your laptop and be happy. If you want a smaller, cheaper laptop, that's what a netbook is.

Seriously though, just think about who this thing is intended for. Basically, it's your mom's computer.

Why My Mom’s Next Computer Is Going To Be An iPad

If this catches on, you seriously have a revolutionary product. A computer that's so easy to pick up and learn how to use that everyone from children to the elderly will intuitively know how to use it and have barely any learning curve, and it'll do everything that they need a computer to do.

[redbaron]

Also, if you're too dumb to be able to handle the complexity of multi-tasking, it's perfect for you

[Demon_Hunter]

Originally Posted by ApparentlyNothing

Guys, this thing isn't intended to replace your laptop unless you only use your laptop for simple tasks like email, web browsing, etc. It's not supposed to be able to do everything your laptop can do. If that's what you want, then just keep your laptop and be happy. If you want a smaller, cheaper laptop, that's what a netbook is.

Seriously though, just think about who this thing is intended for. Basically, it's your mom's computer.

Why My Mom’s Next Computer Is Going To Be An iPad

If this catches on, you seriously have a revolutionary product. A computer that's so easy to pick up and learn how to use that everyone from children to the elderly will intuitively know how to use it and have barely any learning curve, and it'll do everything that they need a computer to do.

The problem is is that it isnt a revolutionary product. At all.

Its a giant iPod Touch with 3G conectivity.

If its a product intended for people learning how to use a computer then it should be marketed like that. Not like some revolutionary new product from Apple. Because it isnt a revolutionary new product, its a bigger version of 2 older product lines, and its capabilities meet somewhere in the middle of the 2 of them.


*edit*

After reading the article, i agree, it would be good for someone like my mom.

Though, the learning curve for learning how to type on screen with a smaller keyboard may just do her in. Took me months to get used to the keyboard on my iPod touch. My mom is by profession a typist though, so maybe it wouldnt be that difficult for her.

[Bryan]

Originally Posted by Demon_Hunter

The problem is is that it isnt a revolutionary product. At all.

Its a giant iPod Touch with 3G conectivity.

If its a product intended for people learning how to use a computer then it should be marketed like that. Not like some revolutionary new product from Apple. Because it isnt a revolutionary new product, its a bigger version of 2 older product lines, and its capabilities meet somewhere in the middle of the 2 of them.
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i'll bet you 50 dollars you'll be changing your tune within two years. Every other major mobile device manager will be trying to beat the iPad like they are with the iPhone and iPod.

[Cam42]

I really don't think they will be.
iPhoneOS is great. On a 3.5 inch display.
On a 9.7 it just looks gap-toothed, and stupid. I can't imagine usability will be great.

[Demon_Hunter]

Originally Posted by Bryan

i'll bet you 50 dollars you'll be changing your tune within two years. Every other major mobile device manager will be trying to beat the iPad like they are with the iPhone and iPod.

I doubt it. The iPad isnt what I was hoping it would be to begin with.

From what little I have heard of the HP Slate, it is much closer to what I was hoping the iPad would be, and if it comes out near the price point that I have heard reported (much cheaper than the lowest priced iPad model) then more than likely HP will get my money.

[ApparentlyNothing]

Originally Posted by redbaron

Also, if you're too dumb to be able to handle the complexity of multi-tasking, it's perfect for you

It's not about being "too dumb". I wouldn't call my mom too dumb to be able to learn how to use a computer. It's that not everyone is a nerd who would actually enjoy spending time delving into the inside nooks of an operating system simply for the pleasure of doing so.

For the record, I'm not saying the iPad is perfect. I really wish it had multitasking. But it doesn't. And neither does my iPhone that I've been perfectly happy with despite that fact.

Originally Posted by Demon_Hunter

The problem is is that it isnt a revolutionary product. At all.

Its a giant iPod Touch with 3G conectivity.

Tell me what's wrong with that? People keep saying that like it makes it completely useless. The fact that it's "giant" is exactly why it's revolutionary. It can be a much more usable and meet a lot of wants that an iPod Touch can't. The iPhone OS is probably one of the most intuitive OSes ever. Its perfect for touch screens. People wanting the exact same thing as OS X but with a touch screen don't realize how unnatural that is. OS X was designed for a mouse, not your fingers.

If its a product intended for people learning how to use a computer then it should be marketed like that. Not like some revolutionary new product from Apple. Because it isnt a revolutionary new product, its a bigger version of 2 older product lines, and its capabilities meet somewhere in the middle of the 2 of them.

What are you talking about? It's being marketed as a computer that does casual things like web browsing, ebook reading, games, email, etc. better than a laptop or an iPhone. That's it. It isn't being marketed to replace your iPhone or iPod touch. It isn't being marketed to replace your laptop. It's being marketed to do those things I just described, and do it in a way that is intuitively easy and makes for an elegant experience. It's "revolutionary" because before the iPad existed, there was no device that did any of those things the way the iPad does. If you want to nitpick and say it's just an iPod Touch with a bigger screen, well sure it is. But that bigger screen makes all the difference because of how Apple's (and subsequently all the 3rd party developers') ability to utilize all that extra screen real estate. I guarantee that the apps developers make for this is going to make its awesome level go up a ton.

After reading the article, i agree, it would be good for someone like my mom.

Though, the learning curve for learning how to type on screen with a smaller keyboard may just do her in. Took me months to get used to the keyboard on my iPod touch. My mom is by profession a typist though, so maybe it wouldnt be that difficult for her.

When turned horizontally, the size of the on screen keyboard is supposed to be nearly the same as a physical keyboard. Also there is a physical keyboard attachment for anyone who finds they need to type a lot and don't like the on screen keyboard.

I'm just going to remind everyone that when the iPhone first came out, there were a LOT of naysayers then too who thought it wouldn't succeed because of all the features it lacked. Of course, now we know how wrong they were.

[Andrew]

I would like to point out that the iPhone is merely the least crappy of the available choices. I am just sick of the stagnant tech on this planet, though. Seriously, we've had six thousand years to figure this out and we are still pushing on buttons with our fingers? (I know, touch screen. Simulated buttons, same stupidity.)

I demand more innovation. I don't want a better way to look at video and my twitter. INTERFACE WITH MY BRAIN PLZ.

[Demon_Hunter]

Originally Posted by ApparentlyNothing

Tell me what's wrong with that? People keep saying that like it makes it completely useless. The fact that it's "giant" is exactly why it's revolutionary. It can be a much more usable and meet a lot of wants that an iPod Touch can't. The iPhone OS is probably one of the most intuitive OSes ever. Its perfect for touch screens. People wanting the exact same thing as OS X but with a touch screen don't realize how unnatural that is. OS X was designed for a mouse, not your fingers.

Making the iPod touch bigger isnt revolutionary. Its just taking old tech and making it bigger old tech. Stop calling that revolutionary. Its not. Its not even the first touch screen tablet style device either. How is it revolutionizing anything?

What are you talking about? It's being marketed as a computer that does casual things like web browsing, ebook reading, games, email, etc. better than a laptop or an iPhone. That's it. It isn't being marketed to replace your iPhone or iPod touch. It isn't being marketed to replace your laptop. It's being marketed to do those things I just described, and do it in a way that is intuitively easy and makes for an elegant experience. It's "revolutionary" because before the iPad existed, there was no device that did any of those things the way the iPad does. If you want to nitpick and say it's just an iPod Touch with a bigger screen, well sure it is. But that bigger screen makes all the difference because of how Apple's (and subsequently all the 3rd party developers') ability to utilize all that extra screen real estate. I guarantee that the apps developers make for this is going to make its awesome level go up a ton.

So it isnt revolutionary. Its just a bigger version of another device with slightly better functionality. This is exactly what you have just said.

I'm just going to remind everyone that when the iPhone first came out, there were a LOT of naysayers then too who thought it wouldn't succeed because of all the features it lacked. Of course, now we know how wrong they were.

Im not saying the iPad wont succeed. It probably will. It will most likely wind up being the most popular handheld, wireless, touch screen device sold this year.

Im saying that there is no reason for that when from where I sit, much better tablet style devices are going to be comming out this year.

[ApparentlyNothing]

Originally Posted by Demon_Hunter

Making the iPod touch bigger isnt revolutionary. Its just taking old tech and making it bigger old tech. Stop calling that revolutionary. Its not. Its not even the first touch screen tablet style device either. How is it revolutionizing anything?


So it isnt revolutionary. Its just a bigger version of another device with slightly better functionality. This is exactly what you have just said.

"Slightly"? Have you ever tried using only an iPhone to do all the things I mentioned the iPad was being marketed for? Like, for an extended period of time? The bigger screen of the iPad is going to make ALL THE DIFFERENCE. "Slightly" is a huge understatement, and I don't even think you could be qualified to make that sort of statement unless you used an iPhone extensively and then actually tried an iPad. The iPad is no doubt going to do a lot of things better than the iPhone can, simply because of it's larger screen and how it's utilized. You're simply looking at it all wrong. What exactly do you think WOULD make it revolutionary? Because the way I see it, it's not about the exact hardware specs or how similar it might be to the iPhone, but it's about how Apple and 3rd party developers are going to utilize it differently than they have the iPhone, and consumers are going to be using it for different things than the iPhone. What it could do for print media like magazines and newspapers alone is potentially VERY revolutionary, since both mediums are struggling to survive in the digital age against the free internet.

The other thing is that here we have a mobile OS being taken to a much larger scale. The iPhone OS model is beginning to encroach upon what in the past would have been the desktop OS's territory. The potential influence this could have upon the OSes of the future is something that could be, again, revolutionary.

Im not saying the iPad wont succeed. It probably will. It will most likely wind up being the most popular handheld, wireless, touch screen device sold this year.

When it comes down to it, we're still talking potentials and possibilities since the device hasn't had a couple years to effect the market and technology, let alone it hasn't even been released yet. But, if the iPad is successful as both you and I seem to agree it will be, the two potentials I mentioned above are very likely going to be true.