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Unread 01-08-2010, 09:56 AM   #31
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No one. I said I was into big flashy guitars...


Just a caveat; don't try negotiating with Guitar Center. Their employees aren't allowed to do it anymore and can get fired for it... unless you know someone
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Unread 01-08-2010, 11:59 AM   #32
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No one. I said I was into big flashy guitars...


Just a caveat; don't try negotiating with Guitar Center. Their employees aren't allowed to do it anymore and can get fired for it... unless you know someone
yeath they stopped haggling awhile ago

and the schecters i've played i thought were nice. and the classic c1 has pretty good pickups right?
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Unread 01-08-2010, 12:07 PM   #33
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Please don't get something with an FR. Just don't.
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The key to great tone is really found in the kind of hand soap that you use.
For years I used a typical off-the-shelf bar-type soap and I had no idea that, even though I rinsed properly and thoroughly after every cleansing, there was still a soap scum residue on my hands and fingers.
This negatively affected my tone in ways that I just can't describe.
Then, on a whim, a few years ago I wandered into a Bath and Body Works store at a local mall and picked up some of their gentle foaming anti-bacterial hand cleansers.
The difference in my guitar's sound is so wickedly improved that I no longer feel the need to buy a new amp or pedals or even strings...EVER!
So, it's my belief that tone is in the soap.
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Unread 01-08-2010, 12:25 PM   #34
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Please don't get something with an FR. Just don't.
Why do you hate teh METAL??!! \m/\m/
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Unread 01-08-2010, 12:36 PM   #35
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yeath they stopped haggling awhile ago

and the schecters i've played i thought were nice. and the classic c1 has pretty good pickups right?
Yes, but having one, I have had loose frets, bad pots, and a small army of other problems. I need to do a full rewire and possibly redo the frets on mine. BIG HASSLES with my c-1 classic.

Its great when it works, but it has let me down every time I tried to play it out.

FR's are a love or hate thing. I hate them even though I love metal. Just a pain constantly.
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I'm with Bill on the FR issue. Way more hassle than it's worth.
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I'm with Bill on the FR issue. Way more hassle than it's worth.
i messed around wtih a non fr hellraiser, and the syn custom to try out a fr. the non fr hellraiser sounded good. but i would get it with a fr. so to mess with a floyd i tried the syn custom.

I really like a floyd. why do yall say 'dont get a fr. just dont"?? they seem cool mixed with the tuning stability i would need. i dont have a pedal tuner so for live playing, a fr would be good because of the insane tuning stability.
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i messed around wtih a non fr hellraiser, and the syn custom to try out a fr. the non fr hellraiser sounded good. but i would get it with a fr. so to mess with a floyd i tried the syn custom.

I really like a floyd. why do yall say 'dont get a fr. just dont"?? they seem cool mixed with the tuning stability i would need. i dont have a pedal tuner so for live playing, a fr would be good because of the insane tuning stability.
The fact that they are very easy to bump while playing and make you sound out of tune, and the loss of stability as compared to a hardtail. (they are not as tuning stable as a hardtail with good tuners really.)

Floyds just get really old, really fast. String changes are a major pain.
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The fact that they are very easy to bump while playing and make you sound out of tune, and the loss of stability as compared to a hardtail. (they are not as tuning stable as a hardtail with good tuners really.)

Floyds just get really old, really fast. String changes are a major pain.
i dont get the bump part?
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i dont get the bump part?
bump the bridge while palm muting and your tuning warbles horribly.
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bump the bridge while palm muting and your tuning warbles horribly.
oh i see. doesn't it work like every other tremolo. i mean would my strat do that if i bump the bridge?
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Unread 01-08-2010, 01:29 PM   #42
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oh i see. doesn't it work like every other tremolo. i mean would my strat do that if i bump the bridge?
Not typically.
The FR is a full floating vibrato, able to pull off descending and ascending pitch changes, and susceptible to even the slightest pressure.
The average traditional Strat vibrato is not nearly as sensitive and some, like most of the ones that I have used, are blocked and prohibited from being pulled up.

Any time I play a FR-equipped guitar I have to totally change my picking technique and wrist placement.
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Fender made a Strat that had an FR style trem with the locking nut that came loose with a little lever. I thought that was kind of cool, since most FR's require use of an allen wrench to do that. Just a thought.
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The key to great tone is really found in the kind of hand soap that you use.
For years I used a typical off-the-shelf bar-type soap and I had no idea that, even though I rinsed properly and thoroughly after every cleansing, there was still a soap scum residue on my hands and fingers.
This negatively affected my tone in ways that I just can't describe.
Then, on a whim, a few years ago I wandered into a Bath and Body Works store at a local mall and picked up some of their gentle foaming anti-bacterial hand cleansers.
The difference in my guitar's sound is so wickedly improved that I no longer feel the need to buy a new amp or pedals or even strings...EVER!
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Unread 01-08-2010, 03:29 PM   #44
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FR is totally a love it or hate it deal.

Pro:
- ability to bend pitch down and up to crazy extremes
- you can play along with all your favorite cheesy 80s hair metal solos

cons:
-Don't break a string!! String changes are rediculously time consuming. You'll always need a spare guitar with you at all times
-If you break a string the guitar is unplayable (whereas with a fixed bridge you can at least keep playing on the remaining strings to get you through the song)
-you have to be careful with your technique so you don't knock yourself out of tune
-tuning stability in general is not as good
-more parts to wear out and break
-dive bombing pinch harmonics is only cool if you're playing in a Van Halen tribute band at the local bar.
-big whammy bar vibrato sounds very dated and lame

When i was a teenager every guitar I owned had a FR. Today I no longer own a guitar with a FR and probably won't ever buy another one.

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haha, nope. But luckily the people I know are
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Unread 01-08-2010, 03:49 PM   #45
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I have an '87 Ibanez RS540P with a FR. All the comments here about FRs are true, but I'll point out that string changes, while still a pain, are a bit easier if you don't cut off the ball end. Just run the string backwards through the tuner, so the ball end is at the headstock.
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