Homosexuality

monkeysmile · 11-07-2009, 01:26 AM

I've seen some threads on this topic here, and I just want to see the standpoints of everyone on the matter.(And why you believe it if you want) So far I think I've seen the dominant feeling is that it's not a sin unless you partake in the act, since you can be born into it. I personally believe it to be a choice, like any other sinful lust. *waits for attack*

joshaber · 11-07-2009, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by monkeysmile

I personally believe it to be a choice, like any other sinful lust. *waits for attack*

Why do you think that?

I don't recall ever choosing to be attracted to women, nor is being attracted to women lustful.

monkeysmile · 11-07-2009, 01:41 AM

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Why do you think that?

I don't recall ever choosing to be attracted to women, nor is being attracted to women lustful.

Gen 2:21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
Gen 2:22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
Gen 2:23 And Adam said, This [is] now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet

This wasn't meant to be an argument/debate thread, but what I see there is that it is unnatural, unseemly, vile, their error, against nature, etc.

Man and woman were created for eachother, that is natural.

joshaber · 11-07-2009, 01:45 AM

Actually I was wondering why you thought it was a choice.

monkeysmile · 11-07-2009, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Kentl

Is a lot of the defects natural?

What defects do you mean?

monkeysmile · 11-07-2009, 01:47 AM

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Actually I was wondering why you thought it was a choice.

Because it's counted as unnatural and says it is "their error", which I take to mean that they had a choice in what they did, and made the error.

joshaber · 11-07-2009, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by monkeysmile

Because it's counted as unnatural and says it is "their error", which I take to mean that they had a choice in what they did, and made the error.

When did you choose to be heterosexual?

monkeysmile · 11-07-2009, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Kentl

Things that are caused by humans messing around with nature, one example a nuke goes off then are all those who are changed a sin?

Of course not, that wasn't their choice to get nuked.

monkeysmile · 11-07-2009, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by joshaber

When did you choose to be heterosexual?

I didn't have to choose, it's human nature to be attracted to the opposite sex.

monkeysmile · 11-07-2009, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Kentl

wait hang on are you saying they dont choice to be like that or they do

I'm saying that people deformed by nuclear radiation did not have a choice in whether they got nuked or not, and that's physical deformities anyway, the natural being I'm talking about is the inner self.

Kentl · 11-07-2009, 01:53 AM

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I'm saying that people deformed by nuclear radiation did not have a choice in whether they got nuked or not, and that's physical deformities anyway, the natural being I'm talking about is the inner self.

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monkeysmile · 11-07-2009, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Kentl

Do all humans have the same natural? in history some have lost instincts and stuff that is consider natural?
natural humans dont drive cars or play games that is not something we are told to do yet we do is that wrong?

You're not getting my point as far as "natural" goes. God created woman for man, man for woman, which makes in natural to be attracted to the opposite sex, it's how we were created. Driving cars is a form of transportation...playing games is entertainment.

joshaber · 11-07-2009, 01:59 AM

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Because it's counted as unnatural and says it is "their error", which I take to mean that they had a choice in what they did, and made the error.

That doesn't really follow. I make mistakes all the time and it's not because I chose to make a mistake.

OiBoyz · 11-07-2009, 02:00 AM

I'm a little puzzled. You asked what people thought, and then you're arguing with them? Was this supposed to be a thread to debate, or just to give our thoughts on the matter?

monkeysmile · 11-07-2009, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by joshaber

That doesn't really follow. I make mistakes all the time and it's not because I chose to make a mistake.

Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

It says right there that it was the lusts of their own hearts, not a natural gene. I'm just saying that like any sin, it's a choice the individual has to make.