Ft. Hood Shooting

slap_j · 11-05-2009, 04:05 PM

11 killed in Fort Hood shootings, officials say - CNN.com

Yikes.

**JayCarrFan** · 11-05-2009, 04:21 PM

That's just plain scary, especially for the people on the base right now.

bravesfan007 · 11-05-2009, 09:19 PM

This is a terrible situation. I can't express any other words about it than that right now.

**beanbag** · 11-05-2009, 09:24 PM

I just posted about this in prayer requests. =\

some of my students have parents up there, so it hits really close to home for me.

slap_j · 11-05-2009, 09:59 PM

Apparently the 12 dead does not include the shooter. He survived and is in custody. A report I read claims that the murderer is a devout Muslim (which I doubt considering his actions). Does anyone else worry that this might lead to a smaller-scale version of the hostility toward Muslims and vaguely middle-eastern looking people that cropped up after 9/11? Apologies if it sounds crass that I'm bringing that up when we've just lost 12 soldiers in a mass murder. It's just that that old adage about violence begetting violence is bouncing around in my head considering the circumstances of this day and age.

**thesteve** · 11-05-2009, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by slap_j

Apparently the 12 dead does not include the shooter. He survived and is in custody. A report I read claims that the murderer is a devout Muslim (which I doubt considering his actions). Does anyone else worry that this might lead to a smaller-scale version of the hostility toward Muslims and vaguely middle-eastern looking people that cropped up after 9/11? Apologies if it sounds crass that I'm bringing that up when we've just lost 12 soldiers in a mass murder. It's just that that old adage about violence begetting violence is bouncing around in my head considering the circumstances of this day and age.

One of my coworkers (a French PhD) was quick to point out a possible religious/ethnic connection when his name was released. I find it ironic that he (Hasan) was supposed to be a psychiatric professional: Troubling portrait emerges of Fort Hood suspect - Yahoo! News

**beanbag** · 11-05-2009, 10:16 PM

yes. I have worried about violence against middle easterners (men, particularly) every single day of my life since september 11th. this will only serve to make things worse.

I don't think that violence is necessarily heightened against muslims in particular, but rather against all middle easterners in general. people that go on these self-righteous rampages don't bother to ask their victims what their religious status is before they pound on them or set their businesses on fire.

kimberlyb0112 · 11-06-2009, 04:53 PM

This is a really awful situation. I have friends up there at Fort Hood and it's sad for everybody that was included.

JerryLove · 11-06-2009, 04:53 PM

The information at present isn't coherent or established. This reads like a psychotic break more than anything else. We'll see when we see.

I suspect, for me at least, how you dress and act has far more effect than skin color, name, or accent.

Unless you are female... I do love some accents

Travis · 11-06-2009, 11:08 PM

What does the government expect? People go overseas and get PTSD. And this guy was a Muslim who identified with his murder victims. This should be no surprise. Perhaps if we stopped bombing and shooting innocent people, this sort of thing wouldn't occur anymore.

JerryLove · 11-07-2009, 10:28 AM

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You know, our soldiers murder this many people every day. Far more people get blown up by US bombs EVERY DAY. No one cries for them. No one cares. I think it's about time we start caring.

I suspect someone does.

But there's a signifigant issue of context. How long does it take for 12 US soldiers to die overseas? Are we averaging that in a week? Perhaps a month? How is a death more or less tragic that it occured here vs there?

It doesn't. It's perception.

WorshipFreq · 11-07-2009, 01:37 PM

It is my opinion that this country should strive to protect our loved ones in the military, and not put them 'in harms' way', or endanger them unecessarilly. At this time in our country, to have 'Muslims' in our military, seems to be a conflict of interest. It should have been avoided, and 'sleeper terrorists' within our military should be weeded out. If men and women are in the US military, thier 'sole alligience' should be to the country and people of which they serve. Anyone with other interests and agenda should be declined for military consideration. The safety of these young men was neglected by our very leadership, and those responsible for allowing this to happen should be held fully accountable.

slap_j · 11-07-2009, 01:47 PM

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It is my opinion that this country should strive to protect our loved ones in the military, and not put them 'in harms' way', or endanger them unecessarilly.

I agree.

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At this time in our country, to have 'Muslims' in our military, seems to be a conflict of interest.

Why are you using scare quotes there?

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If men and women are in the US military, thier 'sole alligience' should be to the country and people of which they serve.

That rules out Christians too, doesn't it? A Christian whose "sole allegiance" is to the United States isn't a Christian at all.

**adamwagg** · 11-07-2009, 07:15 PM

Can we keep this thread onto the shootings, please? If we want to discuss the legitamacy of the war in Iraq, please make another thread. (I've deleted one post that was leading the thread down this path).

Thanks.

**Jeffrey** · 11-07-2009, 07:31 PM

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It is my opinion that this country should strive to protect our loved ones in the military

If so, why don't we allow them to carry their weapons on the base? Think how many lives would have been saved if every trained military operative hadn't had his ordinance locked up.

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At this time in our country, to have 'Muslims' in our military, seems to be a conflict of interest.

Wow, so it's not the fact that this man was going to be shipped off to an illegal war (did Congress formally declare war yet on Iraq?) where children are dying, a war that did not end a direct threat to our safety, in a military where suicide and abuse is rampant, whose mentally taxed and shattered soldiers were his charge as a psychiatrist...it's because he's a Muslim.

And Muslims cannot serve.

By your logic, we shouldn't allow many evangelical Christians to serve, since they believe Israel the modern-day country is divinely-ordained and should be protected. This impacts how they treat innocents in nations neighboring and unfriendly to Israel. These pre-millenialists do not think rationally about Israel, only religiously. Therefore, they should be weeded out.

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It should have been avoided, and 'sleeper terrorists' within our military should be weeded out.

He wasn't a "sleeper terrorist." And if he was, why did he do such a poor job of disrupting the US military? Surely he had better marks and opportunities.

This kind of weasel diction can make the issue worse. Don't look for sleeper cells unless there's clear evidence.

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If men and women are in the US military, thier 'sole alligience' should be to the country and people of which they serve.

If that's so, then every soldier ought to lay down their arms rather than fight in any front of the War on Terror. As Bush's 9/11 Commission found, we were attacked not because terrorists hate our freedom, but because of "blowback." The US overthrew the Iranian government in the 1950's and has been meddling over there since.

Our current wars are creating more blowback. On top of that, they're unconstitutional. Any true patriot would refuse to fight.

Yes, I'm calling out our CGR military folks. Do the patriotic thing at least and refuse to fight an unjust war. Besides the fact these wars do not abide by the traditional Christian view of "just war," and innocent people are dying, which maligns Christianity since America is sadly associated with our faith. If you won't think with your heart and head, think with your flag. Serving in these wars is dishonoring to the Constitution.

But remember, your sole allegiance should be to Christ. This new poster is either confused or a heretic. No person should have their sole allegiance to a nation. That's idolatry.

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Anyone with other interests and agenda should be declined for military consideration.

How do you test for agendas?

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The safety of these young men was neglected by our very leadership, and those responsible for allowing this to happen should be held fully accountable.

Agreed.