Well, It's Not Exactly An AC30...

metropolis4 · 10-30-2009, 09:30 AM

But I think it's gonna be nice!

I've got a Dr. Z Jaz 20/40 on the way!!
Should get here next week sometime. I'll post more when it arrives. I'm super excited about this amp.

Ax · 10-30-2009, 11:20 AM

Dr. Z amps are UBERawesome. The largest distributor in the nation is about 30 minutes from my house, I have played his amps extensively. They're great. Just overpriced.

bravesfan007 · 10-30-2009, 01:08 PM

Congrats!!! I'd like to eventually pick up a Dr. Z sometime in my lifetime.

**Tallahassee** · 10-30-2009, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Ax

Dr. Z amps are UBERawesome. The largest distributor in the nation is about 30 minutes from my house, I have played his amps extensively. They're great. Just overpriced.

dotdotdot

*steps away*

MET! AWESOME! Will we get clips? I miss my Maz sooo much sometimes......

I may be on the lookout for a Stang Ray or a Rx or maybe a Remedy......

CONGRATS!

metropolis4 · 10-30-2009, 08:28 PM

I've only played a couple of his amps and it was a long time ago. I remember I liked them though. I'm excited about this one. It's the front end of a MAZ, with a 4x6V6 power section. The clips I've listened to are killer. I just hope it's not too clean sounding to rock!

I was all set to just order a new Matchless, but I thought I'd give this a try first. His amps are expensive, but considering the other amps in that market I think they are pretty reasonably priced.

Ax · 10-31-2009, 11:15 AM

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I just hope it's not too clean sounding to rock!

I just laughed until my sides hurt. Get ready for Dr. Z to blow you away. I would never classify ANY of his amps as "too clean sounding to rock". You can rock it out. It may take a booster pedal, but it will rock and sound UH-MAY-ZING!

crazymoose · 10-31-2009, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Ax

They're great. Just overpriced.

So it would work well with Gibsons then?

Ax · 11-01-2009, 01:43 AM

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So it would work well with Gibsons then?

No. I like the joke, but they actually do have merits worthy of much praise. The thing is this: All amps in that price range are overpriced. I think the market as a whole is overpriced.

crazymoose · 11-01-2009, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Ax

No. I like the joke, but they actually do have merits worthy of much praise. The thing is this: All amps in that price range are overpriced. I think the market as a whole is overpriced.

It's true. The thing is they know they can overprice the muffin out of these things because they know that 90% of the people buying guitars honestly can't tell that a Gibson is better, they just justify their purchase by assuming higher price = higher quality and they'll often trick themselves into thinking the higher priced one is better. I would bet if you gave someone a mexican strat and an american strat and told them the mexican one was american and cost twice as much, most people would 'notice' higher quality in the mexican one.

Some people can tell, but they get more money basing their prices off the clueless majority.

Ax · 11-01-2009, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by crazymoose

It's true. The thing is they know they can overprice the muffin out of these things because they know that 90% of the people buying guitars honestly can't tell that a Gibson is better, they just justify their purchase by assuming higher price = higher quality and they'll often trick themselves into thinking the higher priced one is better. I would bet if you gave someone a mexican strat and an american strat and told them the mexican one was american and cost twice as much, most people would 'notice' higher quality in the mexican one.

Some people can tell, but they get more money basing their prices off the clueless majority.

This is a discussion for another thread which I will get into if you start another thread, or P.M. me but I'll tell you what you actually pay for. Gibson is not AS overpriced as you think, neither are MIA Fenders, at least not when you factor in cost of the guitar. The amp market is more overpriced, that's what I was referring to. My point was I can't find a comparably quality amp for a lot less than the Dr. Z, but that's only because people expect to pay more for a "boutique amp" when cost of building it is WAY less than the final price. Boutique manufacturers make more per amp than mass producers, they generally have the same components and pay the same price, you pay for the "boutique"ness of one of those. I can find comparably quality guitars for less than a Gibson. I don't blame Gibson. But again, different thread.

**Tallahassee** · 11-01-2009, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Ax

This is a discussion for another thread which I will get into if you start another thread, or P.M. me but I'll tell you what you actually pay for. Gibson is not AS overpriced as you think, neither are MIA Fenders, at least not when you factor in cost of the guitar. The amp market is more overpriced, that's what I was referring to. My point was I can't find a comparably quality amp for a lot less than the Dr. Z, but that's only because people expect to pay more for a "boutique amp" when cost of building it is WAY less than the final price. Boutique manufacturers make more per amp than mass producers, they generally have the same components and pay the same price, you pay for the "boutique"ness of one of those. I can find comparably quality guitars for less than a Gibson. I don't blame Gibson. But again, different thread.

Here here.

And when you think about Two Rock and the like, Z amps seem pretty affordable......

**thesteve** · 11-01-2009, 02:33 PM

Aren't Dr. Z amps PTP? I had the impression the cost factored in the additional labor of being a hand-wired PTP amp.

**Tallahassee** · 11-01-2009, 03:04 PM

YouTube - Tom Anderson, Dr Z JAZ 20/40

metropolis4 · 11-01-2009, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by crazymoose

It's true. The thing is they know they can overprice the muffin out of these things because they know that 90% of the people buying guitars honestly can't tell that a Gibson is better, they just justify their purchase by assuming higher price = higher quality and they'll often trick themselves into thinking the higher priced one is better.

Some people can tell, but they get more money basing their prices off the clueless majority.

Ouch. That's a bit harsh... I guess I'm part of the clueless majority

On some levels there really is a difference. For me right now, the BIG difference is in reliability. I trust an amp that is entirely hand built, PTP wired more than I trust an amp built in a factory in asia. Every boutique amp I've ever owned has been overbuilt to the extreme and very very reliable. The combination of higher quality components assembled by hand by a person who really knows what he/she's doing is going to create a more reliable amp 90% of the time.

There are differences in tone too. Usually subtle, but once you've noticed them it's hard to go back. I know I sound like a total gear snob right now, but it's true, especially with amps. I personally don't notice nearly as much difference with pedals or guitars, but with amps... yes.

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Aren't Dr. Z amps PTP? I had the impression the cost factored in the additional labor of being a hand-wired PTP amp.

Yes, they are all PTP handwired. I do think that contributes to the price in some ways. it's just economics; it takes a lot more time and labor, plus it's more skilled labor going into them which is going to result in higher prices.

bravesfan007 · 11-01-2009, 07:32 PM

Do you have an exact ETA?