Kim Walker's "How He Loves Us"

ibanez_dude · 06-28-2010, 07:39 AM

The truth is, that line would make a lot of people very uncomfortable during a worship service, and while worship is not defined around our comfort, you have to draw the line somewhere...

**DaGeek** · 06-28-2010, 08:42 AM

I just want to issue a reminder that, while the discussion has been okay so far, let's continue to keep it civil. It seems like the thread is re-hashing topics a little bit, so for all those just starting to post in here, please make sure you've read all the prior discussion so we don't keep mulling over the same stuff.

Thanks!
Paul

**redbaron** · 06-28-2010, 09:05 AM

I kind of wonder if we have some tie ins with this thread:

http://www.christianguitar.org/forums/t185028/

Gwenny · 06-29-2010, 02:54 PM

I happened to go to my parents church this past Sunday, which I rarely do. And I heard this song for the first time, and was seriously turned off by that line. While in the context of the original artist and song writer, I understand the story and why it's in there, but as a song used for a church with a congregation, I literally was listening and thinking, good song, then I heard that line, and it ruined it for me. Because I too imagined a sloppy, wet kiss as as two fumbling 14 year olds trying to figure out how to kiss. It wasn't good imagery or a good simile. (As for those arguing it's not a good metaphor, you're right, cause it's NOT A METAPHOR! It's a simile. Get your literary devices right!)
I listened to the David Crowder version later and thought the unforeseen kiss line was better, but I think that line should be replaced with something that actually makes sense when talking about heaven and earth meeting.

realmama · 08-23-2011, 11:16 PM

HI There,

I was just searching for who originally wrote this song...cause I had attributed it to DC*B. But somehow I ended up downloading John's cd with it ...and realized he is the original artist.

I have to say I LOVE the line Sloppy Wet Kiss...I think it is a real, tangible way to think of God coming down to love on us...and I wrote a blog post about it from the point of view of one of my baby son's giving me a sloppy wet kiss...maybe this will help you...but since I can't post the url you will have to contact me at realmama at realmamareallife dot com

Hope that helps...and if you happen to like my blog - feel free to pass it on. I'm trying to get out there and to inspire people with my words as you do with your music!

amyers420 · 04-12-2012, 07:53 AM

It bugs me to continue to see Kim Walker and Jesus Culture get credit for so many songs that they did not write... which also include "Rooftops" - written by a young girl in Jacksonville, Florida

youtube . com /watch ? feature = player_ embedded & v = DwXg8g7KHGw - remove the spaces so you can watch cause the forum wouldn't let me post this until I have 15 posts - but this is worth seeing

and if you google John Mark McMillan How He loves, you'll see countless hits -- he's becoming quite popular

and his version is much better than JC or David Crowder

and then there are countless Misty Edwards songs that they've covered --- You Won't Relent, My soul longs for you, etc.

I love Jesus Culture, but I like to see credit go where it deserves to go.....

**tenwatt** · 04-12-2012, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by amyers420

It bugs me to continue to see Kim Walker and Jesus Culture get credit for so many songs that they did not write... which also include "Rooftops" - written by a young girl in Jacksonville, Florida

youtube . com /watch ? feature = player_ embedded & v = DwXg8g7KHGw - remove the spaces so you can watch cause the forum wouldn't let me post this until I have 15 posts - but this is worth seeing

and if you google John Mark McMillan How He loves, you'll see countless hits -- he's becoming quite popular

and his version is much better than JC or David Crowder

and then there are countless Misty Edwards songs that they've covered --- You Won't Relent, My soul longs for you, etc.

I love Jesus Culture, but I like to see credit go where it deserves to go.....

I'm aware of John Mark McMillan. As a matter of fact I'm rocking out his "Economy" album on my iPod as I type this. In 2009, when I started this thread, I wasn't so familiar with him. But I don't think he had even released his first album yet so I don't think it was that uncommon of a mistake.

**bravesfan007** · 04-12-2012, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by amyers420

It bugs me to continue to see Kim Walker and Jesus Culture get credit for so many songs that they did not write...

I love Jesus Culture, but I like to see credit go where it deserves to go.....

Don't most musicians get credit for songs they didn't write anyway?

ibanez_dude · 04-12-2012, 01:38 PM

JMM's version is unique, but I don't think it's as accessible to folks, and it doesn't have the big polished sound that alot of people (including worship teams) are looking for. I'll be the first to tell you that I don't care for his version very much. Just doesn't do it for me. But I love the Jesus Culture arrangement...

**Mara** · 04-12-2012, 02:49 PM

I may be rehashing even more old issues, and I apologize if this has been posted already as I've not read through this entire thread, but this is an article from John Mark McMillan on why he let David Crowder change that lyric. May be an interesting read for those of you with strong opinions on that line. http://johnmarkmcmillan.blogspot.com...loppy.html?m=1

gtrdave · 04-12-2012, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mara

I may be rehashing even more old issues, and I apologize if this has been posted already as I've not read through this entire thread, but this is an article from John Mark McMillan on why he let David Crowder change that lyric. May be an interesting read for those of you with strong opinions on that line. The Promenade: How He Loves, David Crowder, and Sloppy Wet Kisses...

A worthwhile rehash, imho.

Thanks for the link to his blog. I think it clears things up nicely.

amyers420 · 04-13-2012, 06:46 AM

Yes, I agree that most artists do songs that they didn't write, and when I sent my reply I couldn't see the six page conversation, just the original post. I live in Charlotte, so I've had the privilege of getting to know John Mark and see several of his shows and the music may not be all "polished" as one reply stated, but that's what's so awesome about it. It's raw and emotional, not your Christian radio pop. John Mark is truly one of the most humble people I have ever met and he writes all of his music with such originality and honesty that he will probably always only appeal to those who really desire that.

I just saw Jesus Culture Wednesday night and I've always loved their music, but I must say that the live show was much more lights and "show" than the raw, honest , ethereal feeling at a JMM performance. I guess that's the difference between having thousands of fans that want to show up and get a t-shirt and those that want intimacy and really feel the intensity in the music. No matter how many years John has sang How He Loves, he always gets choked up on that last verse that you don't even hear in the JC or DC version because they cut it because that just doesn't work on radio. And for me, that's what worship is about, the emotions that it stirs in the heart of the worshiper.

bobthecockroach · 04-13-2012, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by amyers420

And for me, that's what worship is about, the emotions that it stirs in the heart of the worshiper.

Actually, worship is about God, not us.

The creatures which surround God's throne in Heaven are not said to feel really emotional unceasingly. They are said to declare "Holy, holy, holy is the Lord" unceasingly. Declaring God's praise is what worship is about.

**Mara** · 04-13-2012, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by bobthecockroach

Actually, worship is about God, not us.

The creatures which surround God's throne in Heaven are not said to feel really emotional unceasingly. They are said to declare "Holy, holy, holy is the Lord" unceasingly. Declaring God's praise is what worship is about.

QFT

amyers420 · 04-13-2012, 07:21 AM

of course it is about God, not about us - that's not what I was saying. Why does everyone want to twist everything around -- when I say that it stirs my heart, it stirs my feelings that I want to express to God in worship and praise to Him. I don't understand why that has to be turned into an argument because I didn't say it the right way