[JerryLove]

So when ACORN workers advised a fake pimp on how to file taxes on income from a fake prostitute: Republicans were rightfull outraged and voted to cut all funding from ACORN.

Well. A 19-year-old worker from a pentagon subcontractor was gang-raped by her co-workers and told she cannot sue becuase of a clause in her contract. Senator Al Frankin proposed a bill that would cut public pentagon funding to contractors who put "can't sue for rape" clauses in their contracts.

30 republican senators (the majority of all republican senators) voted against it. Apparently givng tax advice to fake prostitutes is more abhorrent than real gang-rape.

[tlj009]

Republicans and ACORN
So when ACORN workers advised a fake pimp on how to file taxes on income from a fake prostitute: Republicans were rightfull outraged and voted to cut all funding from ACORN.

Well. A 19-year-old worker from a pentagon subcontractor was gang-raped by her co-workers and told she cannot sue becuase of a clause in her contract. Senator Al Frankin proposed a bill that would cut public pentagon funding to contractors who put "can't sue for rape" clauses in their contracts.

30 republican senators (the majority of all republican senators) voted against it. Apparently givng tax advice to fake prostitutes is more abhorrent than real gang-rape.

Please post a link because I know of absolutely nothing that you can sign to allow yourself to be raped.

[jthomas1600]

Originally Posted by JerryLove

So when ACORN workers advised a fake pimp on how to file taxes on income from a fake prostitute: Republicans were rightfull outraged and voted to cut all funding from ACORN.

Well. A 19-year-old worker from a pentagon subcontractor was gang-raped by her co-workers and told she cannot sue becuase of a clause in her contract. Senator Al Frankin proposed a bill that would cut public pentagon funding to contractors who put "can't sue for rape" clauses in their contracts.

30 republican senators (the majority of all republican senators) voted against it. Apparently givng tax advice to fake prostitutes is more abhorrent than real gang-rape.

Is this just political baiting for an argument Jerry? What does ACORN and this incident have to do with each other? What was the bill that was voted on? A stand alone bill? Or was the "can't sue for rape" clause a rider on some huge bill with plenty of things you would expect a republican to oppose? Did every single democrat vote for the bill or are some of them evil too? I can't figure out why you even posted this. And as I'm finishing up I'm not sure why I'm responding, but, oh well.

[Skeeter]

It was on the Daily Show last night. It's the first bill proposed by Al Franken as far as I understand. It was Jon Stewart who drew the parallel between how the Republican senators voted against the bill and how the same Republican senators treated the ACORN issue. There is a large disconnect between their responses.

At issue is an out clause in Halliburton contracts excusing them, and their employees, from liability to be sued for various cases, apparently including gang rape.

Jon Stewart, rightfully I think, pointed out how absurd it is for anyone to be opposed to a bill that outlaws this kind of thing.

[nolidad]

Originally Posted by Skeeter

It was on the Daily Show last night. It's the first bill proposed by Al Franken as far as I understand. It was Jon Stewart who drew the parallel between how the Republican senators voted against the bill and how the same Republican senators treated the ACORN issue. There is a large disconnect between their responses.

At issue is an out clause in Halliburton contracts excusing them, and their employees, from liability to be sued for various cases, apparently including gang rape.

Jon Stewart, rightfully I think, pointed out how absurd it is for anyone to be opposed to a bill that outlaws this kind of thing.

Well I haven't yet heard of the bill.
1. It has nothing to do with what Acorn has done and what they deserve for all the illegalities that they have been convicted of so far and are under indictment.

2. If this was a ridr on a biogger bill that would draw conservative opposition then it is just the old politics as usua that both sides play. Stick an amendment on a major bill you know your opponents will not vote for an then bash them as if it was the amendment they oppossed,

3. If it was a stand alone bill- then those who voted against it are total idiots and deserve to lose their seats.

4. If that is a real employment clause in Haliburtons contracts- first many employers have limited liabilities clauses concerning employees. There are so many variables that need to be known whether that is real or not. But if it is- then why have both DEm. and GOP congresses have been silent for so long on this travesty.

[Ridley's Own]

What's being presented on the thread is slightly inaccurate.

Jamie Leigh Jones was brutally gang raped and falsely imprisoned by members of KBR, which at the time was a subsidiary of Halliburton (but is no longer). The imprisonment was in a shipping container and was ordered by supervisors at KBR in Iraq. She was rescued by State Department agents in Baghdad. There was a clause in her employment contract that prevented her from suing KBR, and instead forced arbitration, which has typically favored employers.

The amendment from Sen. Franken has denied federal contracts to companies that force binding abritration on their employees rather than allowing them access to the courts. It was an amendment to a Defense Appropriations Bill, and wasn't a random rider, since it was relevant to... defense appropriations.

My guess is that even if had been a stand-alone provision, the Republicans tend to favor business interests over employment rights, and have since Taft. I don't think Republicans like rape.

Originally Posted by Nolidad

2. If this was a ridr on a biogger bill that would draw conservative opposition then it is just the old politics as usua that both sides play. Stick an amendment on a major bill you know your opponents will not vote for an then bash them as if it was the amendment they oppossed,

I didn't know Republicans made a habit out of voting against defense appropriations. Why do Republicans hate our soliders?

If that is a real employment clause in Haliburtons contracts- first many employers have limited liabilities clauses concerning employees.

Mandatory binding arbitration is almost boilerplate in employment contracts now a days. Its a serious issue, because much of the arbitration process favors the employer, and there's been allegations (but far from proven in my mind) that arbitration companies weed out arbiters that side with employees. Arbitration is good because it relieves the court system from a lot of the every-day conflicts between employees and employers. But if it's abused, then that causes problems, and in this case, clearly Ms. Jones was being denied her constitutional right to a trial.

then why have both DEm. and GOP congresses have been silent for so long on this travesty.

The Dems haven't. Hence I remember the initial rape accusation being on the news a couple years back, and this is just the most recent fold in the story. The GOP congress routinely refused to provide any kind of oversight to the contractors doing the dirty work the Bush Administration and GOP congress were politically unable to do.

[nolidad]

I didn't know Republicans made a habit out of voting against defense appropriations. Why do Republicans hate our soliders?

I do n't know that they do. Do you have information to make these intimations?

Mandatory binding arbitration is almost boilerplate in employment contracts now a days. Its a serious issue, because much of the arbitration process favors the employer, and there's been allegations (but far from proven in my mind) that arbitration companies weed out arbiters that side with employees. Arbitration is good because it relieves the court system from a lot of the every-day conflicts between employees and employers. But if it's abused, then that causes problems, and in this case, clearly Ms. Jones was being denied her constitutional right to a trial.

Well this is new to me. I have not been in the job looking market for over 26 years so I didn't know what was going on. Binding Arbitration if applied fairly can be good. But as you said if abused can be a real hardship.

The Dems haven't. Hence I remember the initial rape accusation being on the news a couple years back, and this is just the most recent fold in the story. The GOP congress routinely refused to provide any kind of oversight to the contractors doing the dirty work the Bush Administration and GOP congress were politically unable to do.

Evidence??

Teh dems have had control of congress for over a year why haven't beills been introduced to overturn this?

[Bryan]

um, it was. and 30 republican senators voted against it.

Al Franken, in his first legislative act, proposed an amendment to the appropriations bill. This amendment prohibits any company from doing business with the government (I'm guessing just the DoD) if they have a clause in their employment contract requiring disputes over sexual abuse and harassment go before binding arbitration and not allowing a court trial.

here's an article:
Jon Stewart Takes On 30 Republicans Who Voted Against Franken Rape Amendment (VIDEO)

[nolidad]

Originally Posted by Bryan

um, it was. and 30 republican senators voted against it.

Al Franken, in his first legislative act, proposed an amendment to the appropriations bill. This amendment prohibits any company from doing business with the government (I'm guessing just the DoD) if they have a clause in their employment contract requiring disputes over sexual abuse and harassment go before binding arbitration and not allowing a court trial.

here's an article:
Jon Stewart Takes On 30 Republicans Who Voted Against Franken Rape Amendment (VIDEO)

Thanks fo rth elink- though it is a horrific situation JOn Stewart was awesome.

In short these 30 senators are hypocritcal here. They should defund acorn and they strip outof any contract, arbitration for criminal acts like this. Teh men involved not only deserve being fired, they should go to jail and if the ecompany doesn't support the girl- then they should get sued and have to pay dearly.

[JerryLove]

Originally Posted by nolidad

In short these 30 senators are hypocritcal here. They should defund acorn and they strip outof any contract, arbitration for criminal acts like this. Teh men involved not only deserve being fired, they should go to jail and if the ecompany doesn't support the girl- then they should get sued and have to pay dearly.

Wow. I agree with you.

[slap_j]

Originally Posted by JerryLove

Wow. I agree with you.

Is that a chorus of angels I hear?

[TunerSteve]

Originally Posted by slap_j

Is that a chorus of angels I hear?

..and the lion shall lie down with the lamb...

Maybe it's a sign of the end times. Jerry and nolidad agree on something

I can not understand anyone that could vote against this provision. I worked for years in a company that had arbitration clauses in effect, and prohibited employees from pursuing other options prior to arbitration. Those were civil/employment issues, not criminal activity. This poor woman can't even get justice through the courts, because this happened outside the jurisdiction of the US.

I certainly support the admendment and will most definately ask my Senator why he failed to support this proposal.

[tlj009]

But if it's abused, then that causes problems, and in this case, clearly Ms. Jones was being denied her constitutional right to a trial.

She has pressed criminal charges though hasn't she?

[Demon_Hunter]

Originally Posted by TunerSteve

..and the lion shall lie down with the lamb...

Maybe it's a sign of the end times. Jerry and nolidad agree on something

I can not understand anyone that could vote against this provision. I worked for years in a company that had arbitration clauses in effect, and prohibited employees from pursuing other options prior to arbitration. Those were civil/employment issues, not criminal activity. This poor woman can't even get justice through the courts, because this happened outside the jurisdiction of the US.

I certainly support the admendment and will most definately ask my Senator why he failed to support this proposal.

Yeah, I think Im going to track down the list of opposing senators and find out if anyone I voted for opposed it. Not only are they going to get a strongly worded letter from me, but they also lost my vote in the next election.

*edit*

:shakeshead: John Cornyn? What a jackass...

[JerryLove]

Originally Posted by tlj009

She has pressed criminal charges though hasn't she?

In 2005, Jamie Leigh Jones was gang-raped by her co-workers while she was working for Halliburton/KBR in Baghdad. In an apparent attempt to cover up the incident, the company then put her in a shipping container for at least 24 hours without food, water, or a bed, and “warned her that if she left Iraq for medical treatment, she’d be out of a job.” Even more insultingly, the DOJ resisted bringing any criminal charges in the matter. KBR argued that Jones’ employment contract warranted her claims being heard in private arbitration — without jury, judge, public record, or transcript of the proceedings. - Think Progress Court rules that KBR employee’s gang rape wasn’t a personal injury ‘arising in the workplace.’

The summary does cite more mainstream news (abc) to establish it's claims: it's just what Google got me first.