[Bryan]

so you think it is OK to pass laws that violate my liberty when the exercise of my liberty is with another consenting adult and harms no one? Should we outlaw fornication? Should we outlaw adultry?

Originally Posted by tlj009

Probably.

then we have nothing further to discuss since you don't believe that liberty is a constitutional right.

[nolidad]

no i don't, because children do not have the capacity to truly understand the consequences that come from sexual relationships and it is very easy for an adult to take advantage of a child. We're talking about consenting adults here, to bring up pedophilia as a reason to not allow same sex marriage is absurd.

Don't get me wrong- I agree with you on teh absurdity of it. But NAMBLA has recruited some very powerful voices to garner the same rights gays are pushing for.

Marriage is a right that is retained by the people (see the 9th amendment). Even if it isn't a right, we're still left with lack of equal protection under the law. Heterosexual couples have access to the protection of the law in the form of a state recognized marriage. Homosexual couples do not.

Do you think we should be able to deny driver's licenses to homosexuals. What about jobs, should I be able to discriminate based on someone's sexual orientation? What about loans for homes?

Well not all laws can create equality between differing peoples. There is differing protection of laws between ages, genders, employers, employees etc etc.

Teh discrimination of legalizing homosexual marriages is from our Judeo -Christina heritage, just like our rejection of polygamy, and bestiality. But we need to remember when we veer from the norms established- every group down th e line will now have an argument to have their orientation validated, then arguments become more moral preferences rather than appeal to higher authority. Sexologists Masters and JOhnson have made very powerful philosophical arguments for decriminalizing man/boy love all the way down to 10 year olds. I completely disagree with their arguments, but they made them.

[JerryLove]

Originally Posted by nolidad

Well not all laws can create equality between differing peoples. There is differing protection of laws between ages, genders, employers, employees etc etc.

Just age (and for people denied rights due to incompitence, insanity, criminal conviction). Most all the others you are thinking of are not related to this conversation.

Teh discrimination of legalizing homosexual marriages is from our Judeo -Christina heritage, just like our rejection of polygamy, and bestiality.

1) It's not illegal, it's simply not sanctioned.
2) The Jews (and many Christian groups) were polygymous

But we need to remember when we veer from the norms established- every group down th e line will now have an argument to have their orientation validated, then arguments become more moral preferences rather than appeal to higher authority.

Like when we went to end slavery or give women rights as more than property (the latter around 1919).

Sexologists Masters and JOhnson have made very powerful philosophical arguments for decriminalizing man/boy love all the way down to 10 year olds. I completely disagree with their arguments, but they made them.

Doesn't matter. It's an age of consent issue and so entirely unlreated to any other argument.

Unless you believe that homosexuals are incapable of informed consent under a legal definition of the term. In that case, they cannot be employed or buy stuff either.