Obama wishes to extend the school year

***BillSPrestonEsq*** · 09-29-2009, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Bryan

To think that high school level education didn't start your preparation for your job/career is asinine.

Why? For a lot of us, I guarantee it has been a waste of time.

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huh? How have kids lost childhood?

Spending all their time in school, trying to keep up with the latest government mandate. Kids are spending vast amounts of time in school. Far more there than our generation.

Bryan · 09-29-2009, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by BillSPrestonEsq

Spending all their time in school, trying to keep up with the latest government mandate. Kids are spending vast amounts of time in school. Far more there than our generation.

Well I spent about 1200 hours in school per year and this article puts it at less than 1200. Seems like the same amount to me. So unless a kid has extracurricular activities (sports, drama team, band, etc) most kids go to school around 8 and leave around 3. that's the school schedule for every teacher I know (and I know quite a few over various different age groups)

nolidad · 09-29-2009, 05:42 PM

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So maybe the answer isn't "more school" but "better school". We sure wasted a lot of time with useless worksheets and endless movies that had some random connection to the subject matter, even if the teacher just surfed the web the entire time.

Absolutely-- more of an education that doesn't really educate is a waste of time and money. Thanks Epaphras

fendeanson · 10-01-2009, 09:52 PM

Yeah ... this is stupid. His popularity is already taking a sky-dive, and now he's making kids dislike him. In my opinion, he is just doing this so he can say he's doing something. Healthcare (THANK GOD!!!) doesn't look like it will go through so he needs to look like he's doing something. I just (and pray) that he will be booted out in 2012. If he did something impeachable, got caught, and impeached, I think I would have a party.

God help this country!

Bryan · 10-01-2009, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by fendeanson

Yeah ... this is stupid. His popularity is already taking a sky-dive, and now he's making kids dislike him. In my opinion, he is just doing this so he can say he's doing something. Healthcare (THANK GOD!!!) doesn't look like it will go through so he needs to look like he's doing something. I just (and pray) that he will be booted out in 2012. If he did something impeachable, got caught, and impeached, I think I would have a party.

God help this country!

yes, Thank GOD that we aren't living up to our moral obligation to make sure everybody has access to health care.

***BillSPrestonEsq*** · 10-01-2009, 10:35 PM

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yes, Thank GOD that we aren't living up to our moral obligation to make sure everybody has access to health care.

How is that a moral obligation? Seriously. Why should that be an issue we address before say, land mines, world hunger, or world peace?

JerryLove · 10-01-2009, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BillSPrestonEsq

How is that a moral obligation? Seriously. Why should that be an issue we address before say, land mines, world hunger, or world peace?

What would you have us do for these three that we are not now doing before we provide healthcare that's in our own national interest and that will (based on looking at countries with UHC) lower our costs?

Something 60% of Americans and 70% of doctors want should at least be a politician's obligation.

***BillSPrestonEsq*** · 10-01-2009, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by JerryLove

What would you have us do for these three that we are not now doing before we provide healthcare that's in our own national interest and that will (based on looking at countries with UHC) lower our costs?

Something 60% of Americans and 70% of doctors want should at least be a politician's obligation.

I was saying why is THAT a moral obligation, (not the popular option) and not the other.

I doubt it will lower our costs, given our lax immigration standards as opposed to most nations with UHC, but the moral issue was what I took issue with. Why is this issue moral as opposed to far more serious ones. (Starvation and getting blown apart rank as more serious than not being able to get a physical in my estimation)

I can see the politician's obligation. I don't see why Government provided UHC is a moral obligation.

JerryLove · 10-01-2009, 11:42 PM

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I doubt it will lower our costs, given our lax immigration standards as opposed to most nations with UHC,

Unsupported and illogical rhetoric.

Arnold Schwartzenegger is an immigrant: Will he become a burden under UHC?

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but the moral issue was what I took issue with. Why is this issue moral as opposed to far more serious ones. (Starvation and getting blown apart rank as more serious than not being able to get a physical in my estimation)

Oh. I see your problem. You seem to think I'm in favor of the "get more physicals" UHC.

I'm actually in favor of the "get the treatment you need to not die" UHC, as well as the "get the cheap hypertension medicine so I don't have to pay for your heart transplant" UHC.

I was thinking of saving the 45,000 Americans that die every year from a lack of health coverage while simultaniously supporting reducing the hundreds-of-billions spent on preventable and unneccessairy (and often overpriced) care.

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I can see the politician's obligation. I don't see why Government provided UHC is a moral obligation.

If I had to give a Christian answer to that question:

Would you, if you could, make sure you got life-saving care?
Did Jesus command that you love your neighbor as you love yourself?
Isn't it immoral to disobey the command of Jesus?

Ax · 10-02-2009, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by JerryLove

Unsupported and illogical rhetoric.

Arnold Schwartzenegger is an immigrant: Will he become a burden under UHC?

Oh. I see your problem. You seem to think I'm in favor of the "get more physicals" UHC.

I'm actually in favor of the "get the treatment you need to not die" UHC, as well as the "get the cheap hypertension medicine so I don't have to pay for your heart transplant" UHC.

I was thinking of saving the 45,000 Americans that die every year from a lack of health coverage while simultaniously supporting reducing the hundreds-of-billions spent on preventable and unneccessairy (and often overpriced) care.

If I had to give a Christian answer to that question:

Would you, if you could, make sure you got life-saving care?
Did Jesus command that you love your neighbor as you love yourself?
Isn't it immoral to disobey the command of Jesus?

This is getting off topic, but just a response as to why I'm against it. This will more than likely destroy our economy and this bill could not have come at a worse time. Our economy is down, why kick it now? When economies worsen the people who get hit the hardest are the poor. You're likely going to hurt them with this bill more than you help them.

Not only that but I know dozens of lazy people who would quit their jobs if they had universal healthcare. I see no reason to pay for these leeches. If this goes into effect then long term unemployment should disqualify you unless you are unable to work, under 18, or have proof of applying for jobs and/or interviews. Would be like unemployment, but stricter, oh yeah, we should make unemployment stricter too... It's terribly short sighted to give people free stuff, not only because eventually you're gonna run bumf*** out of money and then your economy will be worse than it was in the 30's.

Bryan · 10-02-2009, 09:32 AM

sorry to derail the thread.

Dr. Worm · 10-02-2009, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by fendeanson

Yeah ... this is stupid. His popularity is already taking a sky-dive, and now he's making kids dislike him. In my opinion, he is just doing this so he can say he's doing something. Healthcare (THANK GOD!!!) doesn't look like it will go through so he needs to look like he's doing something. I just (and pray) that he will be booted out in 2012. If he did something impeachable, got caught, and impeached, I think I would have a party.

God help this country!

Yes, his approval rating is sky-diving down to the mid 50's, where it has stayed pretty even for the last two months.

**JayCarrFan** · 10-02-2009, 02:57 PM

So, about Obama looking to extend the school year...

fendeanson · 10-02-2009, 03:13 PM

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Yes, his approval rating is sky-diving down to the mid 50's, where it has stayed pretty even for the last two months.

Obama's approval rating is not in the mid 50s ... it is in the mid-low 40s. And it continues to go down. Maybe there is hope for America's intelligence yet...

Dr. Worm · 10-02-2009, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JayCarrFan

So, about Obama looking to extend the school year...

It would cost money that we frankly don't have. If we were going to increase the education budget (which would be great!) there are better things that can be done with that money than more school days.