Students Singing Obama's Praises

**bravesfan007** · 09-24-2009, 10:03 PM

Video can be seen here.

I'm sure there are plenty of other places to find the video and the story, but I chose to link directly to the video.

You can call me a conservative, a radical, or whatever you want, but I find this highly offensive and dumb. I mean, honestly....have we lost all of our decency?

**slap_j** · 09-24-2009, 10:10 PM

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You can call me a conservative, a radical, or whatever you want

I will take you up on that. I just have to mull it over.

Seriously though, I don't think kids should be saying the pledge of allegiance so you can guess what I think of this.

metropolis4 · 09-25-2009, 12:17 AM

Red and yellow, black and white,
they are precious in his sight
Obama loves the little children of the world!

If the kids had written this themselves and were then allowed to perform it, that would be one thing. But this...

**thesteve** · 09-25-2009, 12:24 AM

I think what disturbed me most is that the second song is to the tune of "Battle hymn of the Republic."

Dr. Worm · 09-25-2009, 01:13 AM

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I will take you up on that. I just have to mull it over.

Seriously though, I don't think kids should be saying the pledge of allegiance so you can guess what I think of this.

I couldn't agree more. One of the creepiest things there is about working in public schools is seeing all those kids chanting the pledge of allegiance. It makes me shudder every single time. Then again, I had to say it when I was a kid, and somewhere down the road I learned how to think critically and turned out ok. By the time Obama is out of office, these kids won't even remember doing this, let alone be influenced by this politically in any signficant way. So my vote goes to very creepy, but probably harmless.

Nate · 09-25-2009, 06:47 AM

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So my vote goes to very creepy, but probably harmless.

Seriously?

**DaGeek** · 09-25-2009, 08:04 AM

That is freakishly creepy and a bit beyond unnatural.

I had really, really hoped that this thread title was an exaggeration. So weird.

Ax · 09-25-2009, 08:27 AM

I wanna know what all his "great accomplishments" are. And That teacher should be fired hardcore. If I'd been taught a Bill Clinton song in elementary school my parents would have flipped. Teaching kids to respect the office is one thing, and I can agree with that. Teaching them that a president (which is ALWAYS controversial) is to be worshipped... well... that's just plain wrong. Not only that, but it wreaks of Maoism.

Nate · 09-25-2009, 08:33 AM

On the plus side, "mmm mmm mmm Barack Hussein Obama" is wonderful fodder for spin-offs. Let's hope something good comes of this, at least.

pooleman0 · 09-25-2009, 08:48 AM

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I couldn't agree more. One of the creepiest things there is about working in public schools is seeing all those kids chanting the pledge of allegiance. It makes me shudder every single time. Then again, I had to say it when I was a kid, and somewhere down the road I learned how to think critically and turned out ok. By the time Obama is out of office, these kids won't even remember doing this, let alone be influenced by this politically in any signficant way. So my vote goes to very creepy, but probably harmless.

The pledge of allegiance is not creepy in my opinion. Call it indoctrination if you want, you are only pledging to an idea, a system of laws that endorse and encourage freedom and individual achievement. These kids are singing praises to a single man, not a faceless system of ideas. This is right out of 1940 Germany. "Equal work for equal pay"?!! That's right out of the communist manifesto. "All are equal in his sight"?!! This is insane. Where is the outrage?

"He who owns the youth gains the future". Find out who said that and you'll know where we are heading as a country. Most people will brush this off and say it's nothing because most people want to just live their lives, to go along to get along, but we need to start making noise about all this stuff and stand up and say enough is enough. If we don't we won't have a country anymore. It's not harmless, it's the beginning of the end.

Actually I'll save you the time because you probably won't look it up. "He who owns the youth gains the future". Hitler said this.

**slap_j** · 09-25-2009, 09:29 AM

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Call it indoctrination if you want

That's exactly what it is. In a free nation shouldn't they have the liberty to decide if they want to pledge an oath of loyalty to the United States? I don't think you can really make that decision as a young child. But that's neither here nor there.

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"He who owns the youth gains the future". Find out who said that and you'll know where we are heading as a country.

As repugnant as this is (almost as bad as those Jesus Camp kids praying over an effigy of Bush) you cannot say this is analogous to the Hitler Youth. The Nazi party established the HJ. The Obama administration had no part in this.

metropolis4 · 09-25-2009, 09:33 AM

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As repugnant as this is (almost as bad as those Jesus Camp kids praying over an effigy of Bush) you cannot say this is analogous to the Hitler Youth. The Nazi party established the HJ. The Obama administration had no part in this.

I agree. However, to play devils advocate, a point could be made about the teachers technically being government employees if this is a public school

**bravesfan007** · 09-25-2009, 09:40 AM

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By the time Obama is out of office, these kids won't even remember doing this, let alone be influenced by this politically in any signficant way. So my vote goes to very creepy, but probably harmless.

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Seriously?

I'm siding with Nate here. I mean, Obama is eligible to serve another term if elected. That puts him coming out of office in 2017. If these kids are six years old that is another seven years. They will be about twelve to thirteen years old. Though they may not remember this specifically, what could be put into their minds in that time by school teachers and administrators.

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I agree. However, to play devils advocate, a point could be made about the teachers technically being government employees if this is a public school

IIRC it is indeed a public school.

pooleman0 · 09-25-2009, 09:56 AM

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As repugnant as this is (almost as bad as those Jesus Camp kids praying over an effigy of Bush) you cannot say this is analogous to the Hitler Youth. The Nazi party established the HJ. The Obama administration had no part in this.

All of these things happen in increments. I of course had the pledge in school but we were told we didn't have to say it. So to me it is not indoctrination if you have a choice. Were these kids given the choice to opt out? And I disagree with you about the Jesus Camp kids. Didn't all of their parents choose to send them there? And isn't it a private camp? We are talking about Government funded school systems here. Is the Obama song in the school curriculum? Is it mandated by the state to sing songs to the president? If this was a song sung about Bush in a public school would there be more or less outrage? I'm pretty certain it would be declared a national disaster if these kids were singing about Bush. With investigations, congressional hearings and public firings of the entire school staff.

**slap_j** · 09-25-2009, 10:15 AM

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And I disagree with you about the Jesus Camp kids. Didn't all of their parents choose to send them there? And isn't it a private camp?

All I said is that both are repugnant. I don't think that because one is private it's more acceptable.

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We are talking about Government funded school systems here.

Yes. But to say it's a nascent form of the Hitler Youth is hysterical.

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I'm pretty certain it would be declared a national disaster if these kids were singing about Bush. With investigations, congressional hearings and public firings of the entire school staff.

Why are you certain of that? Is there any precedent for that sort of thing?