[metropolis4]

Anybody hear about this? Very sad...
I don't have a link to post, but I was listening to this story on the radio. in Southern Kentucky I believe a US Census worker was found hung from a tree with the word FED scrawled across his chest. Interesting that this happened on 9/12. The same Day Glen Beck was stirring things up. If this was a homicide I hope he is held accountable

[slap_j]

US census worker found hanged

He was out in the forest. It's possible he stumbled across a marijuana crop. Kentucky is one of five states with greater than $1,000,000,000 in marijuana crops (alongside California, Tennessee, Hawaii, and Washington).

[OiBoyz]

Originally Posted by metropolis4

The same Day Glen Beck was stirring things up. If this was a homicide I hope he is held accountable

Seriously? How in God's name do you blame this on him? Careful, my friend... you're perilously close to bearing false witness.

[redbaron]

It doesn't say when he disappeared, only that his body was found in the woods on the 12th, and given that no one was hanging around, it's likely he could've been there a while. The fact that most of the news articles mention that the area is full of methlabs and marijuana grow ops suggests that he stumbled onto criminal activity and the criminals decided to deal with him. It's quite sad, but it happens, heck it's one of the big reasons people end up murdered in nat'l parks (discovering drug operations).

Frankly I think it's pretty irresponsible for you to have "heard something" provide no details, not link to an article but because you heard it was on 9/12 you immediately jump to "GLENN BECK MADE BAD PEOPLE KILL FEDS".

At best, it's specious reasoning, at worst it's libelous accusation.

Area where census worker died has troubled history

[OiBoyz]

Originally Posted by redbaron

Frankly I think it's pretty irresponsible for you to have "heard something" provide no details, not link to an article but because you heard it was on 9/12 you immediately jump to "GLENN BECK MADE BAD PEOPLE KILL FEDS".

Irresponsible, and just plain annoying.

[The wirerat]

Yeah I spent the summer in Kentucky working at a summer camp for disadvantaged kids. They constantly told us that if we went walking and found marijuana, or a possible drug lab or anything to get the heck outta there and call the police. Its a dangerous country there, lots of drugs, alcohol, and a violent history. I agree that blaming someone's murder on a radio personality, without direct evidence to prove that that personality called for that specific person's death, or was directly involved in the planning, or execution of said murder is wrong, and quite possibly illegal.
*Edit* I just noticed that the man was found in Clay County, which is the same county I worked in. Wow

[metropolis4]

Originally Posted by redbaron

Frankly I think it's pretty irresponsible for you to have "heard something" provide no details, not link to an article but because you heard it was on 9/12 you immediately jump to "GLENN BECK MADE BAD PEOPLE KILL FEDS".

At best, it's specious reasoning, at worst it's libelous accusation.

Sheesh, sorry I stepped on a sacred cow.

I didn't say that... in fact I didn't accuse him of anything if you read my post rather than responding emotionally to it. I don't have any idea what the whole story is. I don't know what happened or why.

Do you disagree with my premise that if this was connected to him he should be held accountable? Is Glen Beck above the law?

I have to be honest and vent though I'm really getting sick of these guys whipping people into a frenzy and not taking any responsibility for their actions. It's entirely immoral.

Ive heard people calling shows talking about revolution and stockpiling firearms and ammunition.

I've personally been threatened with physical violence by conservatives just because I'm a liberal

I know a guy down the street who had a rock thrown through his windshield in a church parking lot because he had pro-Obama bumper stickers.

People are getting way way too worked up over politics these days...

[thesteve]

Originally Posted by metropolis4

Do you disagree with my premise that if this was connected to him he should be held accountable? Is Glen Beck above the law?

If Beck had a direct communication with the perp, I would say yes. If the perp was a Beck fan who acted on 9/12 as part of a fanatical rage, I would say "no".

I think it's irresponsible to blame pundits for the actions of individuals.

[The wirerat]

Its the people's fault, not some voice on the radio. While they have a considerable measure of influence, I doubt these personalities tell people to murder others, throw rocks through windows, or threaten people. That is the perpetrator's fault, and they should be sentenced with the maximum punishment allowed by law.

[OiBoyz]

Originally Posted by metropolis4

Sheesh, sorry I stepped on a sacred cow.

Truth is a sacred cow?

I didn't say that... in fact I didn't accuse him of anything if you read my post rather than responding emotionally to it.

Yes, you did. And I quote directly from your original post: Interesting that this happened on 9/12. The same Day Glen Beck was stirring things up. If this was a homicide I hope he is held accountable

If it was a drug related homicide, or any other type of homicide, do you still want Glenn Beck to be held accountable? How do you know that whoever did this listened to Glenn Beck?

I don't have any idea what the whole story is. I don't know what happened or why.

Yeah, that's kind of the point. Isn't it?

Do you disagree with my premise that if this was connected to him he should be held accountable? Is Glen Beck above the law?

I disagree with the premise that it had anything at all to do with him. You made the claim. It's your job to prove it.

I've personally been threatened with physical violence by conservatives just because I'm a liberal

You've been threatened by nutjobs. Both sides have them, BTW.

I know a guy down the street who had a rock thrown through his windshield in a church parking lot because he had pro-Obama bumper stickers.

Really? You know that's why the rocks were thrown? Unless you threw them, I don't know how you know WHY they were thrown.

People are getting way way too worked up over politics these days...

When people throw around irresponsible accusations, you can see why. But I'm guessing, since you don't see that's exactly what YOU did, you won't see that you caused this little uproar.

[metropolis4]

Originally Posted by OiBoyz

Truth is a sacred cow?

No

Originally Posted by OiBoyz

Yes, you did.

No I didn't

Originally Posted by OiBoyz

I disagree with the premise that it had anything at all to do with him.

Thats not what I asked

Originally Posted by OiBoyz

Really? You know that's why the rocks were thrown? Unless you threw them, I don't know how you know WHY they were thrown.

Yes I do know that for a fact. It's not subjective opinion, they caught the people who did it and they admitted their reasons

[thesteve]

I think that part of the issue is that you're trying to connect a public figure with an individual that really don't have much in common besides a date in time.

It's like if I said we should hold Obama responsible because a man killed a HMO doctor on the same day Obama was giving a speech about health care reform.

[Ridley's Own]

Originally Posted by metropolis4

Do you disagree with my premise that if this was connected to him he should be held accountable? Is Glen Beck above the law?

The thing is, to make these kind of intimations without any kind of evidence is engaging in the same kind of discourse that Beck et al., tend to engage in. there's no evidence that this murder was in anyway connected to any of the right wing agitprop. Its not a good thing to immediately leap to conclusions without evidence or support for it.

So to engage in speculation about what legal issues Beck should face isn't helpful and probably unproductive. And potentially libelous. Just don't do it.

I have to be honest and vent though I'm really getting sick of these guys whipping people into a frenzy and not taking any responsibility for their actions. It's entirely immoral.

I agree; the problem is that whipping the left into a frenzy without the evidence supporting the accusation is the same kind of slander that the right engages in. If you're claiming the moral high ground... Stay on the high ground.

[Hopeful]

Originally Posted by Ridley's Own

The thing is, to make these kind of intimations without any kind of evidence is engaging in the same kind of discourse that Beck et al., tend to engage in. there's no evidence that this murder was in anyway connected to any of the right wing agitprop. Its not a good thing to immediately leap to conclusions without evidence or support for it.

So to engage in speculation about what legal issues Beck should face isn't helpful and probably unproductive. And potentially libelous. Just don't do it.



I agree; the problem is that whipping the left into a frenzy without the evidence supporting the accusation is the same kind of slander that the right engages in. If you're claiming the moral high ground... Stay on the high ground.

Amen.

[redbaron]

Originally Posted by metropolis4

Sheesh, sorry I stepped on a sacred cow.

I didn't say that... in fact I didn't accuse him of anything if you read my post rather than responding emotionally to it. I don't have any idea what the whole story is. I don't know what happened or why.

I responded to your unfounded accusation based on nothing but an emotional response on your part without even hearsay to back up your point. If you had presented an actual, or even theoretical link it would've garnered a different response.

Do you disagree with my premise that if this was connected to him he should be held accountable? Is Glen Beck above the law?

Are video games and marilyn manson responsible for school shootings?

I have to be honest and vent though I'm really getting sick of these guys whipping people into a frenzy and not taking any responsibility for their actions. It's entirely immoral.

Nothing like the moveon crowd and others did for 8 years when the last guy was in office. Not that I cared much for him, but the hypocrisy about the protesters is absolutely appalling these days. Two years ago we have Pelosi saying that she encourages protest and disorder, but today it's not ok because they control both houses and the executive

Ive heard people calling shows talking about revolution and stockpiling firearms and ammunition.

No one I've listened to in the mainstream (including Beck) has advocated anything other than peaceful demonstration. Revolution doesn't always have to be bloody. Some people are stockpiling because they can see the writing on the wall, and the day that those rights don't exist being a possibility has become much more real. I don't have anything wrong with being prepared, especially since the vast majority of people who are stockpiling and getting prepared want nothing to do with a violent uprising since it's a fairly no-win scenario.

I've personally been threatened with physical violence by conservatives just because I'm a liberal

I know a guy down the street who had a rock thrown through his windshield in a church parking lot because he had pro-Obama bumper stickers.

Please, I live in seattle. I have worked/lived places where even innocuous things like support the troops, christian fish and the like get your car vandalized and verbal insults hurled at you. If you really believe that nuts on both sides don't participate in that, you're beyond naive.

People are getting way way too worked up over politics these days...

I'm sure posting non-factual, emotional based threads with wild accusations will really help people stay calm and rational.

Realistically, rather than posting this story for what it is, you started with the inappropriate, emotional response based on myth, and then wonder why people are worked up.

But of course, anyone who isn't a liberal is obviously over-reacting and probably a "nut"