US Census worker found dead

**slap_j** · 09-24-2009, 10:36 PM

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But of course, anyone who isn't a liberal is obviously over-reacting and probably a "nut"

The right are wingnuts. The left are moonbats.

I don't know which I prefer.

metropolis4 · 09-24-2009, 11:42 PM

Hi Thread,
How are you? We got off on the wrong foot here tonight. I let an experience earlier in my day get the better of me and I posted this using wording and phrasing that was not conducive to the point I wanted to make in the first place. I apologize.

I didn't phrase my first post well, but I stand behind what I meant to discuss and that is that some of these people should be held accountable for the chaos they are stirring up. I don't even know what I mean by "accountable"; I don't think I mean legal action. I didn't mean to imply that Beck should be tried for murder. I don't think that, I just mean he should own up to his part in what he is sowing.

I heard a woman sobbing on the verge of hysterics because she has a debilitative disease and she is scared to death about what is going to happen to her children after the government forces her to die because that's what she heard a certain talk show host say would happen to her. I'm sorry, but that really got to me and it bothers me greatly that people are being mislead and scared like this for a political cause.

I keep hearing people on the left say if we don't pass government health care reform then corporations are going to force you to die, and then people on the right say if we do pass government health care reform the government is going to force you to die. There seem to be many impressionable people who are scared to death because they are apparently going to be killed off either way.

Some of you make very good points I agree with

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If Beck had a direct communication with the perp, I would say yes. If the perp was a Beck fan who acted on 9/12 as part of a fanatical rage, I would say "no".

I agree

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I think that part of the issue is that you're trying to connect a public figure with an individual that really don't have much in common besides a date in time.

It's like if I said we should hold Obama responsible because a man killed a HMO doctor on the same day Obama was giving a speech about health care reform

I agree again. Thanks for putting it in that light for me, it made me think again...

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The thing is, to make these kind of intimations without any kind of evidence is engaging in the same kind of discourse that Beck et al., tend to engage in. there's no evidence that this murder was in anyway connected to any of the right wing agitprop. Its not a good thing to immediately leap to conclusions without evidence or support for it.

So to engage in speculation about what legal issues Beck should face isn't helpful and probably unproductive. And potentially libelous. Just don't do it.

I agree; the problem is that whipping the left into a frenzy without the evidence supporting the accusation is the same kind of slander that the right engages in. If you're claiming the moral high ground... Stay on the high ground

You're entirely right. Thanks for putting me in my place so eloquoently

I don't even know you, but I have a very high degree of respect for you and everything I've read that you've posted

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No one I've listened to in the mainstream (including Beck) has advocated anything other than peaceful demonstration

I agree. I wasn't talking about the hosts saying these things, I was talking about people calling in. I've never heard of any of them suggesting anything but peaceful demonstration

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Nothing like the moveon crowd and others did for 8 years when the last guy was in office. Not that I cared much for him, but the hypocrisy about the protesters is absolutely appalling these days. Two years ago we have Pelosi saying that she encourages protest and disorder, but today it's not ok because they control both houses and the executive

So because the liberals act like morons it makes it ok for the conservatives to act like morons too? If liberals start jumping off cliffs are you going to join them?

I don't think I ever said I agreed with how the left treated Bush during his 8 years did I?

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Please, I live in seattle. I have worked/lived places where even innocuous things like support the troops, christian fish and the like get your car vandalized and verbal insults hurled at you. If you really believe that nuts on both sides don't participate in that, you're beyond naive.

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But of course, anyone who isn't a liberal is obviously over-reacting and probably a "nut"

First off, I don't really appreciate being stereotyped and having words put in my mouth. I know it's just an online forum, but I feel we still owe each other some small common decencies.

Second, with the exception of mentioning a couple run-in's I've had personally the last few months, I never mentioned anything about liberal Vs. conservative in this thread. I wasn't even talking about politics in my first post or coming from any political angle. Anything you are seeing with that regard has come from the way you've looked at my posts and not from what I've actually said

nolidad · 09-25-2009, 05:19 AM

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Anybody hear about this? Very sad...
I don't have a link to post, but I was listening to this story on the radio. in Southern Kentucky I believe a US Census worker was found hung from a tree with the word FED scrawled across his chest. Interesting that this happened on 9/12. The same Day Glen Beck was stirring things up. If this was a homicide I hope he is held accountable

Well a most interesting piece of trivia here. Yesterday in Pittsburgh- 20 people were arrested during a protest march against capitalism for rioting.

During all the tea parties and the 9/12 March on Washington/ though the eventrs drew some on the extreme fringe of the right no participants were arrested! The only arrestsa made were from the [B]COUNTER PROTESTERS[B who were bussed in as a counter demonstration.

Ax · 09-25-2009, 11:44 AM

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Well a most interesting piece of trivia here. Yesterday in Pittsburgh- 20 people were arrested during a protest march against capitalism for rioting.

During all the tea parties and the 9/12 March on Washington/ though the eventrs drew some on the extreme fringe of the right no participants were arrested! The only arrestsa made were from the [B]COUNTER PROTESTERS[B who were bussed in as a counter demonstration.

I don't know what you're trying to prove here... it really is an interesting story... but if you are making a point, please let me know because I have no clue what it is.

**Role Modlin** · 09-25-2009, 12:03 PM

Personally...I'm apolitical. I think they're all full of it. However, it kind of pisses me off to see the liberal side get all high and mighty over criticism when they spent the previous eight years doing the exact same thing. Where was the outrage when Bush was openly booed and heckled...and he was...plenty of times. You didn't even see this kind of crap when Clinton was getting nailed by conservatives. What makes this administration above the same kind of criticism? Every president in my lifetime has received his fair share. Get over it already.

metropolis4 · 09-25-2009, 12:43 PM

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Personally...I'm apolitical. I think they're all full of it. However, it kind of pisses me off to see the liberal side get all high and mighty over criticism when they spent the previous eight years doing the exact same thing. Where was the outrage when Bush was openly booed and heckled...and he was...plenty of times. You didn't even see this kind of crap when Clinton was getting nailed by conservatives. What makes this administration above the same kind of criticism? Every president in my lifetime has received his fair share. Get over it already.

Both sides are equally hypocritical when it comes to this, and both will continue to be forever. Next time we have a power shift the liberals will be booing and heckling and the conservatives will get all high and mighty over criticism. The administration that is in power is above criticism, and the administration that was in power has the right to act like indignant idiots because the other side did it to them the last time. It's the wonderful cycle of American politics.

nolidad · 09-25-2009, 09:16 PM

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So because the liberals act like morons it makes it ok for the conservatives to act like morons too? If liberals start jumping off cliffs are you going to join them?

I don't think I ever said I agreed with how the left treated Bush during his 8 years did I?

Why the tea parties, towen halls and 9/12 march are so noticeable isa that conservatives are not noted for banding together like they have this year. It is usually the left that protests, conducts marches and the like. It has thrown all off balance.

And this I read from Bob Hebert, a very liberal syndicated editorialist. The reason why people are so shocked when conservatives get kind of ugle- is thatr it is out of character. It is something they expect from th eleft- but not so much fromthe right.

metropolis4 · 09-26-2009, 09:58 PM

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Why the tea parties, towen halls and 9/12 march are so noticeable isa that conservatives are not noted for banding together like they have this year. It is usually the left that protests, conducts marches and the like. It has thrown all off balance.

And this I read from Bob Hebert, a very liberal syndicated editorialist. The reason why people are so shocked when conservatives get kind of ugle- is thatr it is out of character. It is something they expect from th eleft- but not so much fromthe right.

So you're telling me that in the past conservatives have always taken the moral high ground, but this year they've finally sunk to everyone else's level?

**thesteve** · 09-26-2009, 10:17 PM

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So you're telling me that in the past conservatives have always taken the moral high ground, but this year they've finally sunk to everyone else's level?

I'm not sure exactly how you came to that conclusion...

metropolis4 · 09-26-2009, 10:37 PM

Maybe I mis-read the post, but it sounded like what he was saying is that everyone is shocked by how people on the right are acting now because they've never acted this way before. It's usually the left acting this way, but not the right

**thesteve** · 09-26-2009, 11:15 PM

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Maybe I mis-read the post, but it sounded like what he was saying is that everyone is shocked by how people on the right are acting now because they've never acted this way before. It's usually the left acting this way, but not the right

I agree with that. I don't see what that has to do with the moral high ground. I think all he was saying is that he believes conservatives have always worked through political channels instead of outright demonstration. I don't know that one method holds a higher moral position than the other.

metropolis4 · 09-26-2009, 11:37 PM

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I agree with that. I don't see what that has to do with the moral high ground. I think all he was saying is that he believes conservatives have always worked through political channels instead of outright demonstration. I don't know that one method holds a higher moral position than the other.

But he did say people have been shocked by conservatives getting kinda ugly. That's the only place I took the "moral high ground" stance from.