[slap_j]

Originally Posted by JayCarrFan

You want unbiased news? Try the BBC... or Al-Jazeera, they're rather indifferent on some thing.

I almost never use any major American news outlet. Those two are fine as well as Reuters.

[JerryLove]

Let's not forget the enlightened portion of enlightened self interest.

Walmart (and now everyone) cuts costs by, among other things, moving to overseas providers (last I checked, WalMart was 25% of our total imports from China). In doing so, local manufacturers go out of business.

Why does that matter? Am I about to give some moral reason or raise fairness? No. It matters because, for most of you, China isn't paying your salary. You are getting paid by those same types of people who your Walmart purchase is unemploying. So now they don't buy your stuff either. Guess who gets unemployed next?

But that's not the only thing. WalMart has a commercial where a actor-customer says "it makes me feel good that Walmart is checking competitors prices to make sure I don't pay to much". That's insane.

If Walmart can lower the price, but only will if forced by competition, they certainly aren't looking out for you. What do you think happens when the competition is gone? So that going to Walmart to save money may indeed backfire in the medium term, as a lack of competition is inherently bad for a greed-based economy.

[ICTHUS]

Originally Posted by nolidad

Well I hate to break it to you, but CBC, ABC are liberal with a liberal slant. CNN is so far left it can't see liberal anymore.

At least CBC displays some journalistic integrity - and with regards to a Conservative, no less. The PM's original words.

Would Faux have done that? I think not.

CBC doesn't speak ill of the dead with completely unfounded, idiotic statements either.

No, only Faux News does that.

Since no one else seems to have the balls to say it, I will: you and your Rightist, ignorance-embracing, anti-intellectual ilk make me (almost) embarassed to be a Christian - and not because of the Gospel, but because I don't want to be lumped in with you and I don't want people thinking Christendom is full of ignoramuses like you. You are as dangerous to Christianity as heretics like Modalists and (theological) liberals because you cause offense where none needs to be caused.

[thesteve]

Originally Posted by ICTHUS

Since no one else seems to have the balls to say it, I will: ...

Why does this have to degrade into personal attacks?

[Hopeful]

Originally Posted by thesteve

Why does this have to degrade into personal attacks?

Yes, I agree. And ICTHUS, since when is it right for a Christian to call another a "tool"?

[metropolis4]

Originally Posted by nolidad

First it is not $3/week- it is $30 which is why Wal mart and all the other corporations that import from China have helped create a middle class in China where one never existed.

And the average work week in Chinese factories is 60, not 72 hours which is normal for that culture. So they are working the same- but are now middle class in that country.

Wait, I can make up numbers to make my point sound better too! Ready? Well, it's actually only $1 a week and the hours are closer to 96 a week.

Sources?

Also, you are saying that living off of $3 a week in a government dormitory sharing a room with 9 other people is middle class!?! Based on what measure?

Originally Posted by nolidad

Do you have a problem with sports stars making $25 million a year while the hot dog vendors mak $8/ hour?

How about movie stars grabbing $10-15 mil a film while the theater employess make $8-9/hour? I have never seen outrage at these.

Why are you trying to skirt the question by asking me non-related questions. I don't remember sports or film being a topic of conversation in this thread. I believe we were talking about Wal-Mart. So, in keeping on topic, what do you think about what I originally said?

Originally Posted by nolidad

Well Wal Mart is doing something right- every where they go- they succeed.

Yeah, and everywhere they go they get sued for violating child labor laws, disability act laws, fair wages, employee rights, sex discrimination etc... But hey, they're making a profit so who cares about human rights eh?

Originally Posted by nolidad

I am sorry but going to Walmart and paying $3.99 for a pair of fruit of th eloom boxers is not sin because I won't go to Mom and Pops clothiers and pay $5.99 for the same item.

And you can feel good about knowing that somewhere in the world a poor woman is sitting in a shack without water with 15 cents in her hand so that Wal-Mart could save you $2. Feel good?

[jthomas1600]

I work in Brazil and up by the Amazon this is middle class.



So yeah, living in a government dormitory on a few dollars a week might be middle class. It's a relative/subjective issue.

[adamwagg]

I think we've run our course on this thread, and a far way off the original topic so I will close it.