[BillSPrestonEsq]

Originally Posted by Epaphras

It really is a tough issue though. In one school district with active/involved parents, the schools can come across as over-stepping the parents, but the same school in a district with absent or uninvolved parents would see it as a social responsibility to clothe, feed, and provide medical attention to the kids, because they are not getting it at home, even if that means skirting around medical release policies, etc.

Thats overstepping its legal role as a school, and is quite terrifying actually. The school is not the place for any of those things.

If children are getting neglected at home, there are mechanisms in place that have oversight, but the school is not cps. The school is not the judge, jury, and executioner of parents.

Skirting around medical release policies is IIRC criminal.

[BillSPrestonEsq]

Originally Posted by Kentl

This is stupid because number one since when do teens care? (look teens aldrey know all this we are smarter about sex then you get us c rdeit for i know 11 olds that know a lot about and can tell you more then you want to know both good and bad sides)
Look no mater how you make it sound teens will still have sex you cant scare
Instinct out of them

I didnt have sex as a teen. Sounds like justification.

Anyway, I was friends with a girl at 13 who died of aids. She had a compound fracture, and her soccer coach, who didnt know he had aids picked her up and her bone sliced open his hand. she got it without even having sex, and you know what? Watching her die of Aids terrified us all. I work with inner city kids. Yeah, they stupidly think they know it all about sex. (Much like you claim) and I know a couple have HIV, one has AIDS. I know a few others have other diseases...

You can try to stop some but no way you can stop all Heck in the old times you could get killed for commenting adultery and it did not stop them

certainly slowed it down.

on a side note if you put "holy fear" in them by some mircale watch them never want sex

And that is a complete missing of the point.


The point is to realize that they are ruining their life, exposing themselves to lethal diseases and creating massive heartache, and thats not even touching the morality.

It is like a drugs you tell teens all about how bad it is you will die from it (enter threat here) dose not help
A parent should have a talk will a teen about it not by saying it can kill or it is a sin but a parent to kid talk about the future how they would have to take care of a kid or something (not being a parent it is not my call)

Watch the druggies die, and your friends and acquaintances gunned down and drugs lose their shine, fast. I was exposed to the pusher, manufacturing culture first, and for that I am grateful. You don't want what just takes lives for no good reason.

[Kentl]

Originally Posted by BillSPrestonEsq

certainly slowed it down.



And that is a complete missing of the point.


The point is to realize that they are ruining their life, exposing themselves to lethal diseases and creating massive heartache, and thats not even touching the morality.

show me the proof it slowed it down



also i have seen kids die from aids from sex and also lot of freinds they still have sex
like i said it is a drug

yeah but this is from the spices that kills its owns sins evrey day and a lot use drugs drink smoke (enter thing here) morality and helath problmes arint the best cards to play

Originally Posted by BillSPrestonEsq

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Watch the druggies die, and your friends and acquaintances gunned down and drugs lose their shine, fast. I was exposed to the pusher, manufacturing culture first, and for that I am grateful. You don't want what just takes lives for no good reason.

i am glad and soory about that at lest you got out but i know a lot that dont
and even you must admit that






I know some that use the you wont get stds if you are married to them (which is of couse bull)


That is the problem you use lies or use the bad facts and then a teen will find out there is more and not trust anything or not care
now if you tell them the whole thing the truth not leaving out anything you still will have it hate to say it but face it you cant win


no human can comptley defeat thousands if not millions of years of instinct not in this time
even the bible says that sex sin is the hardest to beat which is why you should run from it but
for teens who cant move have to stay with their parents might have to be in the same classes and tv talking baout sex video games and internet where is there to run to?

[tlj009]

This is stupid because number one since when do teens care? (look teens aldrey know all this we are smarter about sex then you get us c rdeit for i know 11 olds that know a lot about and can tell you more then you want to know both good and bad sides)
Look no mater how you make it sound teens will still have sex you cant scare
Instinct out of them

You can try to stop some but no way you can stop all Heck in the old times you could get killed for commenting adultery and it did not stop them

Any determent does just that....it deters. I don't know of anything that will stop all premarital sex. At the same time, even passive consent by offering an option to have sex without consequences would increase the rates of occurrence. The evidence (without going into issues of relevance) is simply because passive consent is not a deterrence.

on a side note if you put "holy fear" in them by some mircale watch them never want sex

I doubt that. But never having sex is a better option than sinning.

[BillSPrestonEsq]

Originally Posted by Kentl

show me the proof it slowed it down

With contraception, it is a much more vast problem than in say, the 1930's... You can see that in the attitude towards casual sex.

Kentl, the most obvious to me is that it is much more common now than when I was a kid. Now I am not saying society is worse now... It is just that when I was a teen, violence was much smaller of a deal to be guilty of, and sex was a lot bigger. There was a lot of violence, and much less sex. As sex has been accepted in kids like you, it has proliferated.

also i have seen kids die from aids from sex and also lot of freinds they still have sex
like i said it is a drug

Sex is not a drug. But as you watch a friend die, I hope it gives you pause to realize that could be you given a differing set of circumstances. The dumbest line I ever heard was to let people make their own mistakes. That is a fool's way. Watch, and learn from other's mistakes, because for a lot of mistakes, they are fatal, and you can't learn anything when you are dead.

yeah but this is from the spices that kills its owns sins evrey day and a lot use drugs drink smoke (enter thing here) morality and helath problmes arint the best cards to play

You know... thats all there really is. If you don't give a crap about morality, there is the fact that it could put you in a coffin. Really, what other deterrents are there?

i am glad and soory about that at lest you got out but i know a lot that dont
and even you must admit that

Yeah, I know a lot that didnt get out, which is why I want to help keep kids on the right side of the dirt. And yeah, I have tried to mentor a few kids that are dead now. All manner of things claim lives.

I know some that use the you wont get stds if you are married to them (which is of couse bull)

Not if you both wait till marriage. My wife and I did. Thats surefire.

That is the problem you use lies or use the bad facts and then a teen will find out there is more and not trust anything or not care
now if you tell them the whole thing the truth not leaving out anything you still will have it hate to say it but face it you cant win

And this is bullcrap.

no human can comptley defeat thousands if not millions of years of instinct not in this time

The Bible says you are wrong and I know kids who are, in inner city LA. You are making up lame, childish excuses. You can. Some do, and they prove that you could to.

even the bible says that sex sin is the hardest to beat which is why you should run from it but
for teens who cant move have to stay with their parents might have to be in the same classes and tv talking baout sex video games and internet where is there to run to?

Outside. To turning off the tv, unplugging the internet or whatever is causing them to stumble. Exact same way people have for thousands of years. This generation is nothing special. Sex hasnt changed. Human nature hasn't changed.

[redbaron]

It seems the thing we have to grow out of as we reach adulthood is a presupposition that we are somehow facing vastly different and unique problems compared to what our parents, grandparents and on down the line experienced when they were kids.

Solomon said "there's nothing new under the sun" and he was right.

[Bryan]

Originally Posted by tlj009

I disagree. Sin should and does have consequences no matter how much we try to eliminate them. Whether the consequence is spankings for a child or being a single parent for premarital sex, there are and should be consequences.

but what about the child in this instance? Children with just one parent are at an inherent disadvantage. Should the child pay for the mother's or father's mistakes?

[Kentl]

Originally Posted by BillSPrestonEsq

With contraception, it is a much more vast problem than in say, the 1930's... You can see that in the attitude towards casual sex.

Kentl, the most obvious to me is that it is much more common now than when I was a kid. Now I am not saying society is worse now... It is just that when I was a teen, violence was much smaller of a deal to be guilty of, and sex was a lot bigger. There was a lot of violence, and much less sex. As sex has been accepted in kids like you, it has proliferated.



Sex is not a drug. But as you watch a friend die, I hope it gives you pause to realize that could be you given a differing set of circumstances. The dumbest line I ever heard was to let people make their own mistakes. That is a fool's way. Watch, and learn from other's mistakes, because for a lot of mistakes, they are fatal, and you can't learn anything when you are dead.


You know... thats all there really is. If you don't give a crap about morality, there is the fact that it could put you in a coffin. Really, what other deterrents are there?



Yeah, I know a lot that didnt get out, which is why I want to help keep kids on the right side of the dirt. And yeah, I have tried to mentor a few kids that are dead now. All manner of things claim lives.



Not if you both wait till marriage. My wife and I did. Thats surefire.



And this is bullcrap.




The Bible says you are wrong and I know kids who are, in inner city LA. You are making up lame, childish excuses. You can. Some do, and they prove that you could to.


Outside. To turning off the tv, unplugging the internet or whatever is causing them to stumble. Exact same way people have for thousands of years. This generation is nothing special. Sex hasnt changed. Human nature hasn't changed.

If it is deferent form the 30 then it haven’t changed?

I am sorry but you are going to have to so me proof that sex was less and crime was more
Actually sex can be consider a drug it activates cretin parts of you that is slightly addicting and a drug is something that affect you works just as sex dose


and when I say we I don’t me I go out and do it I mean teens because ei am not going to say I don’t do it or any one else dose

and obvious humans don’t or we would not have drugs on sell or drinking or anything that is morally wrong

you said it to me once you cant help others always and before you say I can try I said the same thing to you

True but the fact it how do you know if they waited ask them and if they say no you cant date them? You can’t fall in love with them? Because of the slight change you might get something they have?
By that logic as soon as a deadly virus comes they should shut down school and everything


Look it is consider a addiction right?
You get help for it there is even a big name for it it is a addiction and there for is like a drug



You are right sex has not change it has not slowed down or increased it is just a more of a big deal now (for what ever reaseon)




No because I go out side and I know girls that will try to be sexual with me
And the same goes for a lot of others
And if not then you got teens who ask to go to a party

[Kentl]

Originally Posted by redbaron

It seems the thing we have to grow out of as we reach adulthood is a presupposition that we are somehow facing vastly different and unique problems compared to what our parents, grandparents and on down the line experienced when they were kids.

Solomon said "there's nothing new under the sun" and he was right.

Like I am saying back then sex was just as bad even with the threat of death

[tlj009]

but what about the child in this instance? Children with just one parent are at an inherent disadvantage. Should the child pay for the mother's or father's mistakes?

The child should not blame his/her mother or father for their mistakes or his lot in life. He should accept what has happened and move on.