[adamwagg]

Either way the whole thing sounds tragic, I really feel for his family. I hope they investigate fully and sort out what really happened.

Please keep speculation in this thread that is based on nothing to a minimum, thanks. Like I said above hopefully they really find out what happens.

[Kentl]

Originally Posted by The Phantom Mullet

I have a really really hard time believing that cops would be waving their guns around without identifying themselves.

When you see a gun you don’t always hear anything else
except you instincts saying get the **** out of there

[BillSPrestonEsq]

Originally Posted by Kentl

When you see a gun you don’t always hear anything else
except you instincts saying get the **** out of there

Quoted for truth.


And I have tried to hit someone with my car in an attempted carjacking once. (they were armed only with bludgeons) They stopped the car using a fake emergency and then tried to bash in my windows. (There is a longview, TX police report on that)


If I was in a similar scenario with cops instead of thugs, Im afraid I might have done something stupid.

[scared2mosh]

Originally Posted by Kentl

When you see a gun you don’t always hear anything else
except you instincts saying get the **** out of there

Exactly my point

[funkStrat_97]

Originally Posted by scared2mosh

Even if they Identified themselves he might have not heard them...

or he may have been running from the cops... It's kinda hard to tell which it is.

According to reports, civilian witnesses did confirm that the officers identified themselves. What a shame.

Originally Posted by Kentl

When you see a gun you don’t always hear anything else
except you instincts saying get the **** out of there

This is an exellent point; those civilians weren't the ones having a gun pointed at them. But according this report from CNN, there is no indication that the officers had their weapond drawn being that they just wanted to question the pastor.

[DaGeek]

Originally Posted by funkStrat_97

According to reports, civilian witnesses did confirm that the officers identified themselves. What shame.

The question is, how?


The officers could have just shouted "We're police!" Would that be construed as "identifying themselves"? There have been incidents when criminals placed lightboards on top of their vehicles and "pulled over" cars just to rob them. The drivers assumed they were police, when, in reality, it was a deception just to get them to stop.

Likewise, if someone had a gun, just because they yelled "Police!", I'm not sure I'd buy it immediately.


EDIT: By the way: That's not intended as a jab or an argument against what you said. I was merely using your post as a contextually-defining statement for what I said. I'm definitely not looking for an argument or debate over how it could have happened unless there's actual factual evidence of how it went down. The last thing I want is to start an argument on what may or may not have happened.

[funkStrat_97]

Originally Posted by DaGeek

The question is, how?


The officers could have just shouted "We're police!" Would that be construed as "identifying themselves"? There have been incidents when criminals placed lightboards on top of their vehicles and "pulled over" cars just to rob them. The drivers assumed they were police, when, in reality, it was a deception just to get them to stop.

Likewise, if someone had a gun, just because they yelled "Police!", I'm not sure I'd buy it immediately.

I was actually thining the same thing. There are lots of variables that come into play including, perhaps, a previous bad experience with an assailant pretending to be an officer (similar to BillSPreston's experience). There was a case here not that long ago where a man was robbed while trying to help what appeared to be a mother and infant stranded in a broken down car (it's amazing that some people are willing to jeapordize the lives of their children for something like this). Unfortunately, things aren't always what they seem to be.

[funkStrat_97]

Originally Posted by DaGeek

EDIT: By the way: That's not intended as a jab or an argument against what you said. I was merely using your post as a contextually-defining statement for what I said. I'm definitely not looking for an argument or debate over how it could have happened unless there's actual factual evidence of how it went down. The last thing I want is to start an argument on what may or may not have happened.

Let's get it on..................................... It's all good!