[BillSPrestonEsq]

Originally Posted by Kentl

She will be in the boat but like on anything solo they will have pepeol near by just in case

Thats not solo. And the 17 year old... I believe he had to hide from Pirates, not have a flotilla of nearby marines.

That will not get involved unless she needs help pirates or attack I mean

So not alone. Alone except for the private army she has standing by. (which nobody has said exists)

and i never said it was smart but hey let the gril try it is her choice her parents agree with it

So if people want to do stupid things to kill themselves, it is magicaly a good idea because they want to, or it is there dream?

[mulletman]

Originally Posted by adamwagg

I can't make up my mind on this. Should the government intervene as the risk is unacceptable - or are minors allowed to take these sorts of risk if they've taken all relevant precautions and their parents are agreeable.

I can't decide. We let minors take risks all the time (passengers in cars, at 16 start to drive, walk to school, cook, basically be ablive), but where is a risk acceptable or unacceptable.

Government intervention is a sticky area. One that I'll avoid.




I'd say that a basic risk/reward assessment should be able to determine if the risks are acceptable or not...

[Kentl]

Originally Posted by The Phantom Mullet

I did not make that assumption. Do not put words in my mouth. You are not listening to what I'm saying.

Can I see the future? No. But I can take a reasonable guess based on events of the past. Talking about her dream to her friends? Is that adequate preparation? I'm curious as to what the rest of a 6th grade class might have to offer regarding a trip like this....

Well remember are you smarter then a 5th grader they know about certain things that adults MIGHT not know so they might help not to mention teachers and family to

she probely study this you know

[BillSPrestonEsq]

Originally Posted by Kentl

For us no for her yes

So to die for a stupid record is a good idea?

Maybe she loves the sea maybe she loves the breeze in her hair

And sailing in a safe harbor would do that just fine.

Maybe she wants to break a recorded because she is just like that but whatever it I imagine she has gone a lot to get here

Just because you have done a lot, (which really, you cannot by 13 because you have not had time yet) does not mean you should do it.

[thesteve]

Clearly, we don't know her skills and whether or not she has the experience (sailing, mechanics, electrical, etc.) to complete the task. I don't think the question here is whether or not she has the experience (clearly she and her parents believe she does), but whether or not she has the maturity to handle high-stress situations.

It seems obvious to me that Laura Dekker is not the typical 13 year old girl, and for what it's worth, I have my doubts that Zac Sunderland or Mike Perham would have fared well against Somali pirates either (let alone any of the other people that do solo trips around the world, or even the folks that do full crew trips).

What the government seems to be asking isn't whether or not a 13 year old girl is capable of sailing around the world, but whether or not it is responsible for the parents of a 13 year old to allow their child to sail around the world at that age.

[scared2mosh]

Originally Posted by thesteve

beating the current world record by almost four years?

well that is worth risking your life


how long of a trip is it anyway?

[mulletman]

Originally Posted by Kentl

She will be in the boat but like on anything solo they will have pepeol near by just in case

That will not get involved unless she needs help pirates or attack I mean

and i never said it was smart but hey let the gril try it is her choice her parents agree with it

But when it is all said in done I say we all prey for her

How do you know this? Source? Citation? Anything? To me, 'solo' implies 'unassisted.' It sounds like you're pulling this out of thin air in order to make your argument appear less insane.

So if 13-year-old me decided that I wanted to jump off of a cliff, and learn to fly on the way down, and my parents approved.... then that would be an acceptable activity? This is a serious question.....

Originally Posted by Kentl

For us no for her yes

Maybe she loves the sea maybe she loves the breeze in her hair

Maybe she wants to break a recorded because she is just like that but whatever it I imagine she has gone a lot to get here

Again. 13 years is not enough preparation for a trip like this. She hasn't had enough time on planet Earth to prepare for this.

[Kentl]

Originally Posted by BillSPrestonEsq

Thats not solo. And the 17 year old... I believe he had to hide from Pirates, not have a flotilla of nearby marines.



So not alone. Alone except for the private army she has standing by. (which nobody has said exists)



So if people want to do stupid things to kill themselves, it is magicaly a good idea because they want to, or it is there dream?

Okay last thing first

Yeah pretty much that harpings all the time
Now for a teen if the parents agrees there is nothing we can do so just deal with it and prey for her

A guy fallen off a water fall to break a record

Amelia Earhart
A lot of teens try to do things that are “dumb” a lot also make it
As for the others I know it has not Benn said but solo dose not mean alone all the way the other kid entreated with others on his trip and would go to checkpoints (to rest and stock up) so not solo see my point

[MtlMom]

Bad parenting.

[mulletman]

Originally Posted by Kentl

Well remember are you smarter then a 5th grader they know about certain things that adults MIGHT not know so they might help not to mention teachers and family to

she probely study this you know

Are you seriously going to use that BS tv show for your argument? Really?

Originally Posted by thesteve

What the government seems to be asking isn't whether or not a 13 year old girl is capable of sailing around the world, but whether or not it is responsible for the parents of a 13 year old to allow their child to sail around the world at that age.

This.

Originally Posted by scared2mosh

well that is worth risking your life

Seriously. I may catch some flak for this, but I'm going to throw it out there. Most of the records set that involve flying or boating for long distances, are the direct result of a complete failure for proper risk management. What Lindbergh did was stupid. Yes, he succeeded. He got lucky. What Earhart tried to do was stupid. She wasn't so lucky.

[scared2mosh]

Originally Posted by The Phantom Mullet

Are you seriously going to use that BS tv show for your argument? Really?

facepalm

Seriously. I may catch some flak for this, but I'm going to throw it out there. Most of the records set that involve flying or boating for long distances, are the direct result of a complete failure for proper risk management. What Lindbergh did was stupid. Yes, he succeeded. He got lucky. What Earhart tried to do was stupid. She wasn't so lucky.

indeed

[Kentl]

Originally Posted by The Phantom Mullet

How do you know this? Source? Citation? Anything? To me, 'solo' implies 'unassisted.' It sounds like you're pulling this out of thin air in order to make your argument appear less insane.

So if 13-year-old me decided that I wanted to jump off of a cliff, and learn to fly on the way down, and my parents approved.... then that would be an acceptable activity? This is a serious question.....



Again. 13 years is not enough preparation for a trip like this. She hasn't had enough time on planet Earth to prepare for this.

Stop that it is imposable to fly down a cliff it is possible to sail around the world



also 13 the laws for when it is to soon chnages all the time another 50 years i bet you it will be even younger to drive and younger for evrey thing or older which ever
point is usa it is young other places adult so who is right



also for the information common since
as she goes on she needs to stop (checkpoints to stock up and what not and that is with others)

[mulletman]

Originally Posted by Kentl

Okay last thing first

Yeah pretty much that harpings all the time
Now for a teen if the parents agrees there is nothing we can do so just deal with it and prey for her

A guy fallen off a water fall to break a record

Amelia Earhart
A lot of teens try to do things that are “dumb” a lot also make it
As for the others I know it has not Benn said but solo dose not mean alone all the way the other kid entreated with others on his trip and would go to checkpoints (to rest and stock up) so not solo see my point

There's nothing we can do. Correct. So we shouldn't point out the idiocy of it? Wrong.

Originally Posted by MtlMom

Bad parenting.

Yes.

[thesteve]

Originally Posted by scared2mosh

how long of a trip is it anyway?

9+ months depending on how fast you are.

[Kentl]

Originally Posted by thesteve

Clearly, we don't know her skills and whether or not she has the experience (sailing, mechanics, electrical, etc.) to complete the task. I don't think the question here is whether or not she has the experience (clearly she and her parents believe she does), but whether or not she has the maturity to handle high-stress situations.

It seems obvious to me that Laura Dekker is not the typical 13 year old girl, and for what it's worth, I have my doubts that Zac Sunderland or Mike Perham would have fared well against Somali pirates either (let alone any of the other people that do solo trips around the world, or even the folks that do full crew trips).

What the government seems to be asking isn't whether or not a 13 year old girl is capable of sailing around the world, but whether or not it is responsible for the parents of a 13 year old to allow their child to sail around the world at that age.

It says she has gone saling she was out saling so she was not at the hearing
but hey lets not fight over this becuse no mater what we say it will haping or not haping