[Kentl]

Originally Posted by thesteve

Shawn, just curios, but have you ever been on a small sail boat?

Yes I have I have, also been on a big one. (but I hate water so I would not be caught dead in one going around the world )
Anyways I know, to small it will be the end of her, to big it will be to hard. I am sure she has worked this out
And I am not saying it will be a walk in the park and she knows that I am just saying don’t say cant do it or this is a mistake in till it is all said in done

[mulletman]

Originally Posted by Kentl

Sigh that is what they say about girls “girls back then where to weak to take care of them selves”


Age well the youngest (enter thing here) had the same thing said they where to young they cant do it there is to much danger
And if you say let her then good and also a girl might be easy prey but I assume they will have taken the right steps as they would with any person doing something this dangers

Originally Posted by Kentl

Well first off this boat is not as big as many second as I said I assume they will have something to protect her
And last but not least don’t say she cant do it in till she gives up
And I am not saying that is is not insane
But then aging humanity is insanity

In both of these posts, you mention "they" will have "taken the right steps" and "have something to protect her."

I'm wondering how you know this, and what sort of defense system you would find feasible for an adolescent girl to use effectively against a boat full of pirates?

Originally Posted by Kentl

Yes I have I have, also been on a big one. (but I hate water so I would not be caught dead in one going around the world )
Anyways I know, to small it will be the end of her, to big it will be to hard. I am sure she has worked this out
And I am not saying it will be a walk in the park and she knows that I am just saying don’t say cant do it or this is a mistake in till it is all said in done

Wait a second..... we can't label this "a mistake" until she actually dies trying? Really?

By that logic, we shouldn't label murder a "mistake" until someone is actually murdered. Your logic doesn't work.

[Kentl]

Originally Posted by The Phantom Mullet

I'm not saying she can't do this. I'm saying she shouldn't do this. It is a bad idea for a 13 year old girl to try to sail around the world. It is a bad idea for more reasons than I have time to type here. If you honestly think it's a good idea, I question your reasoning ability.

It's simple risk management, Kentl. I don't think it's a bad idea, only because she's young. Sailing around the world alone is a bad idea for anyone. It's only a worse idea because of how young she is.



Again. I'm not saying she can't.... I'm saying she shouldn't, and the adults in her life should be smart enough to know that.



Simply because a few young people have broken records before is no rationale for this catastrophe of risk assessment. Alright. Let's look at the possible outcomes:

1) She does it. Everyone thinks it's cool for the 20-minute spot she gets on the news. After that, they're back to watching the 'A-Team.'

2) She doesn't do it. She gets part of the way around, stops, and goes back home.

3) She doesn't do it. She dies.

4) She doesn't get there. She lands in a hostile part of the world that she hadn't yet heard about in her 6th grade geography class, is sold into the sex trade, and is never heard from again.


After reviewing the options, if you think this is honestly a good idea, you're insane.

Once aging you are assuming she dose not know anything have you gone and seen her
Do you know if she has not read books about all the places she is crossing plan all the trip try to make the safest way around she might be young but she is not stupid
And I am sure her parents made sure she is reedy and if her parents said okay who are we to tell them how to raise her
Also read my post it says cant or shouldn’t because they are to young

[BillSPrestonEsq]

Originally Posted by Kentl

Well first off this boat is not as big as many second as I said I assume they will have something to protect her
And last but not least don’t say she cant do it in till she gives up
And I am not saying that is is not insane
But then aging humanity is insanity

if she is solo, then of course there will be nobody to protect her. Thats kind of part of the solo bit.

I am saying its a bad idea, and mostly for this reason Kentl. Your average 12th grader can pound your average 9th grader.

It is not a bad idea because teenagers are not tenacious, but rather because they are not physically able to deal with the threats of the entire world yet.

Mulletman's 3 and 4 are why I think it is a real bad idea. I really don't like the idea of me being alone in Mexico, and Mexico is pretty darn tame for the most part. (The riot I went through at the border was not tame the day Fox was elected.)

I have accidentally stumbled into riots in 4 nations. I survived on pretty much dumb luck. And I was older than 13.

[BillSPrestonEsq]

Originally Posted by The Phantom Mullet

I'm wondering how you know this, and what sort of defense system you would find feasible for an adolescent girl to use effectively against a boat full of pirates?

I can't think of a good weapons system for this, and I have used my fair share of weapons. A deck mounted m60 might work, but I really don't think military hardware is appropriate for every teen who wants it.

Heck, I really don't want anybody having one.

[scared2mosh]

Originally Posted by Kentl

Apparently you think you know that just because she is 13 it Is a bad idea but we wont say anything in till she dose it agreed? Don’t say she can’t do this. After all how many times has the world been proving wrong?

It is just like how it was with women before, they cant do it because they are women.
they cant do it because they are to young meh... I don’t know

Again I am not saying she will or wont I am saying don’t say she wont or shouldn’t just because of her age how many times before has a recorded been broking by some one to “young”

unless she is on steroids and other medication I DO doubt she could physically do it. Point aside I don't think she SHOULD do it. The sea has claimed the lives of people with DECADES of experience...

Originally Posted by DaGeek

Thirteen now and thirteen when thirteen meant adult are completely different. For instance, when thirteen was considered an adult, kids were forced to grow and mature more before that age, making them far more suited for the world than modern-day thirteen year-olds might be.

Additionally, so a thirteen year-old may be able to sail. I'm not questioning that. What I am questioning is how the heck that kid will be able to react to unforeseen circumstances (pirates, storms, drunken sailors, whatever). A thirteen year-old girl is easy prey. She lacks life experience (more than likely; heck, maybe I'm wrong) and most likely lacks the wisdom to know what to do in those situations simply due to age.

Sure, it'll be cool if she does it, but I don't honestly think doing it solo just to break a record is the most intelligent thing for her to do. If she can, more power to her.

QFT

besides... what is she actually going to gain from it???

[thesteve]

Originally Posted by scared2mosh

unless she is on steroids and other medication I DO doubt she could physically do it. Point aside I don't think she SHOULD do it. The sea has claimed the lives of people with DECADES of experience...



QFT

besides... what is she actually going to gain from it???

beating the current world record by almost four years?

[Kentl]

Originally Posted by The Phantom Mullet

In both of these posts, you mention "they" will have "taken the right steps" and "have something to protect her."

I'm wondering how you know this, and what sort of defense system you would find feasible for an adolescent girl to use effectively against a boat full of pirates?




Wait a second..... we can't label this "a mistake" until she actually dies trying? Really?

By that logic, we shouldn't label murder a "mistake" until someone is actually murdered. Your logic doesn't work.

You are assuming they have nothing planed at all which one is more insane

Thinking they have taken steps or thinking they have not

You are saying it is a mistake but why
?



Can you see the future and say it is a mistake no
Your logic dose not work either you assume they have not planed they have nothing and when I mean they this kids dream
If she is like every other kid she talks about her dream to her friends family teachers and I am sure they have helped

[mulletman]

Originally Posted by Kentl

Once aging you are assuming she dose not know anything have you gone and seen her

Point out to me exactly where it was that I made that assumption. You can't, because I didn't.

Originally Posted by Kentl

Do you know if she has not read books about all the places she is crossing plan all the trip try to make the safest way around she might be young but she is not stupid

Reading a book about a place is not the same as knowing all of the possible hazards you could encounter while traveling to that place. There is no way to be adequately prepared to handle every possible situation that will be encountered on a trip of this magnitude.

Originally Posted by Kentl

And I am sure her parents made sure she is reedy and if her parents said okay who are we to tell them how to raise her
Also read my post it says cant or shouldn’t because they are to young

Okay... so now if her parents say it's okay, then it's everyone just needs to take their word for it? Come one, you don't honestly believe that. How about abusive parents? Are we wrong to tell them how to raise their children?

I read your post, and responded accordingly.

[mulletman]

Originally Posted by thesteve

beating the current world record by almost four years?

Again.... 20 minutes on the news, and then no one cares again. Worth the risk? Hell no.

[BillSPrestonEsq]

Originally Posted by Kentl

You are assuming they have nothing planed at all which one is more insane

Who is they? Some other teen or preteen?

You are saying it is a mistake but why
?

Sex trade, violence, piracy, storms, sailors, lack of physical stamina as a result of not having enough physical development...

Can you see the future and say it is a mistake no
Your logic dose not work either you assume they have not planed they have nothing and when I mean they this kids dream
If she is like every other kid she talks about her dream to her friends family teachers and I am sure they have helped

And most of the dreams we have as kids are stupid, bad ideas that run a high risk of killing us.

[adamwagg]

I can't make up my mind on this. Should the government intervene as the risk is unacceptable - or are minors allowed to take these sorts of risk if they've taken all relevant precautions and their parents are agreeable.

I can't decide. We let minors take risks all the time (passengers in cars, at 16 start to drive, walk to school, cook, basically be ablive), but where is a risk acceptable or unacceptable.

I think its a balance, we don't want to enforce total cotton wool around all our kids, but where should the line be drawn?

Also does anyone know how risky solo around the world sailing trips are? I only ever seem to hear about teen successes?

[Kentl]

Originally Posted by BillSPrestonEsq

if she is solo, then of course there will be nobody to protect her. Thats kind of part of the solo bit.

I am saying its a bad idea, and mostly for this reason Kentl. Your average 12th grader can pound your average 9th grader.

It is not a bad idea because teenagers are not tenacious, but rather because they are not physically able to deal with the threats of the entire world yet.

Mulletman's 3 and 4 are why I think it is a real bad idea. I really don't like the idea of me being alone in Mexico, and Mexico is pretty darn tame for the most part. (The riot I went through at the border was not tame the day Fox was elected.)

I have accidentally stumbled into riots in 4 nations. I survived on pretty much dumb luck. And I was older than 13.

She will be in the boat but like on anything solo they will have pepeol near by just in case


That will not get involved unless she needs help pirates or attack I mean

and i never said it was smart but hey let the gril try it is her choice her parents agree with it


But when it is all said in done I say we all prey for her

[mulletman]

Originally Posted by Kentl

You are assuming they have nothing planed at all which one is more insane

Thinking they have taken steps or thinking they have not

You are saying it is a mistake but why
?



Can you see the future and say it is a mistake no
Your logic dose not work either you assume they have not planed they have nothing and when I mean they this kids dream
If she is like every other kid she talks about her dream to her friends family teachers and I am sure they have helped

I did not make that assumption. Do not put words in my mouth. You are not listening to what I'm saying.

Can I see the future? No. But I can take a reasonable guess based on events of the past. Talking about her dream to her friends? Is that adequate preparation? I'm curious as to what the rest of a 6th grade class might have to offer regarding a trip like this....

[Kentl]

Originally Posted by The Phantom Mullet

Again.... 20 minutes on the news, and then no one cares again. Worth the risk? Hell no.

For us no for her yes

Maybe she loves the sea maybe she loves the breeze in her hair

Maybe she wants to break a recorded because she is just like that but whatever it I imagine she has gone a lot to get here