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bowstaff981 · 01-09-2010, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by normajean777

I don't think that Disney touted it as the most original story ever. Nor did it get the same coverage when it was originally aired.

True, but I just think it's funny that Avatar is being compared to a Disney movie for a lack of originality when in truth neither Avatar nor Pocahantas have an original story.

**nbfan** · 01-09-2010, 05:36 PM

I thought the CGI of LOTR and the new Star Trek movie seemed a LOT more "tangible" than the stuff here. I think the blue alien vibe kills that. But it was alright.

bowstaff981 · 01-10-2010, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by nbfan

I thought the CGI of LOTR and the new Star Trek movie seemed a LOT more "tangible" than the stuff here. I think the blue alien vibe kills that. But it was alright.

It seems to me that it is easier to perceive CGI as fake when it is of something that doesn't exist. And since it is already basically impossible to create realistic CGI human faces it would only seem natural that the blue people would look fake.

I saw the movie finally and it was definitely entertaining. Not really that much like Pocahantas, but rather just a generic "don't kill other people's culture" story. The effects were most excellent. I'm glad I spent the $12.

**slap_j** · 02-07-2010, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by earlessdog

I was being sarcastic, as to say the animation looks worse than the Spidermans, and being 2009, you'd think they'd have better animation for that.

I finally saw the movie tonight and I have to say this is the one opinion I can't even begin to understand. I was very impressed with the whole visual spectacle. The plot was cliché and, yes, the anti-colonial message was not subtle at all, but it was a really fun movie experience.

4/5 stars.

earlessdog · 02-07-2010, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by slap_j

I finally saw the movie tonight and I have to say this is the one opinion I can't even begin to understand. I was very impressed with the whole visual spectacle. The plot was cliché and, yes, the anti-colonial message was not subtle at all, but it was a really fun movie experience.

4/5 stars.

I haven't seen the movie, but judging by the trailers, I found it ridiculous. I'm really a hard critic when it comes to animation that is supposed to look real. Even if this is the best animation to date in the movie industry, I still think it sucks. Understand that I have not seen a movie where I have thought that the animation that's supposed to look "real" is actually good.
I know i'm probably being unrealistic, but I probably won't be impressed with computer animation type stuff until it looks and appears nearly exactly the same as real life actors etc.

Another factor could also be that I hate computer animation as a whole, even in cartoons.

**slap_j** · 02-07-2010, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by earlessdog

I know i'm probably being unrealistic, but I probably won't be impressed with computer animation type stuff until it looks and appears nearly exactly the same as real life actors etc.

What they did in this movie was impossible to do with real actors. They probably could've gotten around the fact that the Na'vi are 10+ feet tall and have a different form than human beings but the way they moved would've been impossible to pull off. So in that sense your requirement could never be fulfilled. I think that's something you would've quickly realized had you seen the film. The trailers don't do that stuff justice. In my case they didn't anyway.

Also might I suggest that the fact that you hate computer animation might make you less than an impartial critic.

bowstaff981 · 02-07-2010, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by earlessdog

I haven't seen the movie, but judging by the trailers, I found it ridiculous. I'm really a hard critic when it comes to animation that is supposed to look real. Even if this is the best animation to date in the movie industry, I still think it sucks. Understand that I have not seen a movie where I have thought that the animation that's supposed to look "real" is actually good.
I know i'm probably being unrealistic, but I probably won't be impressed with computer animation type stuff until it looks and appears nearly exactly the same as real life actors etc.

Another factor could also be that I hate computer animation as a whole, even in cartoons.

Here's the thing for me; when something that isn't real is computer animated then it will probably never look real. So when I look at the blue aliens I'm aware that they are animated because I know that they are not real. However, much of the greenery and other plants looked very real to me.

Also, have you ever seen this?

earlessdog · 02-07-2010, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by slap_j

What they did in this movie was impossible to do with real actors. They probably could've gotten around the fact that the Na'vi are 10+ feet tall and have a different form than human beings but the way they moved would've been impossible to pull off. So in that sense your requirement could never be fulfilled. I think that's something you would've quickly realized had you seen the film. The trailers don't do that stuff justice. In my case they didn't anyway.

Also might I suggest that the fact that you hate computer animation might make you less than an impartial critic.

You're missing my point. Yes I prefer real actors and such to animation, and yes i'm obviously aware that you need animation to pull off movies like Avatar. What i'm saying is until the animated characters don't have that cheesy CG movement and unrealistic appearance (besides the fact that they're aliens) I won't be impressed. I'll be impressed the day I watch a movie and am completely fooled that one of the characters was actually animated.

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Originally Posted by bowstaff981

Here's the thing for me; when something that isn't real is computer animated then it will probably never look real. So when I look at the blue aliens I'm aware that they are animated because I know that they are not real. However, much of the greenery and other plants looked very real to me.

Also, have you ever seen this?

Yes thats very impressive, but once again, it's mostly the "human" aspect that always fails. Try to make a character, I have yet to be fooled that a character in a movie is actually animated when I thought they weren't. Thats when i'll be impressed.
Haha, I sound like some jerk in a high corporate position here.

**slap_j** · 02-07-2010, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by earlessdog

You're missing my point.

Well, maybe it's hard to grasp when you're being so ambiguous. Maybe you're trying to say something else but all I can reckon is that you'll be impressed when you're impressed. That's fine. But there's nothing there to talk about. I wouldn't have even said anything if I knew you hadn't seen the movie.

earlessdog · 02-08-2010, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by slap_j

Well, maybe it's hard to grasp when you're being so ambiguous. Maybe you're trying to say something else but all I can reckon is that you'll be impressed when you're impressed. That's fine. But there's nothing there to talk about. I wouldn't have even said anything if I knew you hadn't seen the movie.

Fair enough, thats pretty much my attitude about CG stuff. It's arrogant, but it's how it is.