Harper vs. Ignatieff

**tmlfan123** · 07-15-2009, 11:18 PM

Simple enough, state who you think would be a better prime minister right now and why.

I'm going to stay with Harper. Regardless of the "power-mongering" charges laid against him, which were probably well-justified, I still think he's done a fairly good job running our country in a bad economic time. Ignatieff, to me, is still a bit of an unknown.

crazymoose · 07-16-2009, 03:28 PM

At least neither of them are stephane dion?

**tmlfan123** · 07-16-2009, 08:53 PM

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At least neither of them are stephane dion?

And for that we can be grateful.

**Skeeter** · 07-17-2009, 10:55 AM

Not a big fan of Ignatieff.

**tmlfan123** · 07-17-2009, 03:31 PM

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Not a big fan of Ignatieff.

Any particular reason?

earlessdog · 07-17-2009, 10:48 PM

Man I cannot stand Ignatieff, he drives me crazy! He has weasel written all over him (along with every other PM, but this is worse). Plus, i've never really leaned towards the Liberal side of politics anyway, so with that said; Harper. I think he has done a better job than our past couple PM's. I just wish he had a majority so that we could see what kind of things he could really do (which could be bad or good).

crazymoose · 07-17-2009, 11:02 PM

I honestly hate politics. I don't really study what happens but the impression I get is that the parties don't even care about the country so they bicker and argue like little children and get nothing done. Seriously, it's like a bunch of 6 year olds. One is in charge and he wants to do it his way, but the other one wants to do it his way so he cries, calls the leader a big doo-doo head, and goes and pouts in the corner. He refuses to listen to anyone or do anything, and shakes his head and pouts more when people try to compromise because they won't do it his way. So then they can't do anything because of the pouty one and they're all mad.

Just watch any discussions in the house of commons. It's disgusting how childlike they all are. They just push their agenda, trying to get their way even if it means nothing gets done. If they honestly cared about the country they'd be willing to compromise and come up with a different solution.

I may be wrong, but that's the impression I get. It's no wonder people don't vote. It's like having to choose between listening to The Jonas Brothers or Hannah Montana or The Black Out Band constantly for the rest of your life...

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**tmlfan123** · 07-18-2009, 10:10 AM

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I just wish he had a majority so that we could see what kind of things he could really do (which could be bad or good).

I wouldn't trust any of our federal leaders within sniffing distance of a majority.

earlessdog · 07-18-2009, 12:20 PM

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I wouldn't trust any of our federal leaders within sniffing distance of a majority.

I can definitely understand that.

ICTHUS · 07-31-2009, 01:40 PM

Jack Layton!

**tmlfan123** · 07-31-2009, 10:16 PM

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Jack Layton!

If a miracle happened(well, I guess it couldn't really be classified as a miracle) and Jack Layton became PM, he would have no idea where to start.

timio · 08-06-2009, 02:37 PM

Elizabeth May was the only leader I had any respect for after watching the debate in the last election campaign. Too bad the green party's not a viable national party yet, otherwise I'd happily vote for them.

My opinion is that Mr. Harper is a tool. Others disagree, but I see nothing other than an air of smugness whenever he says or does anything. Everything seems to be to inflate his ego. Not saying that Ignatieff's any better, but then again, with these leaders, we're more than likely stuck in minority land for the foreseeable future.

**tmlfan123** · 08-06-2009, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by timio

Elizabeth May was the only leader I had any respect for after watching the debate in the last election campaign. Too bad the green party's not a viable national party yet, otherwise I'd happily vote for them.

My opinion is that Mr. Harper is a tool. Others disagree, but I see nothing other than an air of smugness whenever he says or does anything. Everything seems to be to inflate his ego. Not saying that Ignatieff's any better, but then again, with these leaders, we're more than likely stuck in minority land for the foreseeable future.

Would you rather see a majority?

timio · 08-07-2009, 09:46 PM

No, I don't think so. It brings more accountability and forces the parties to work together. In many other contexts globally, minority governments are commonplace and they bring about some unique coalitions where various parties come together to form the government.

We know that Mr. Harper doesn't like coalitions and will paint them in a negative light any day, but the experience we have with this pretty much showed that he's really just trying to cling to power when there's a possibly viable alternative to him as PM. Maybe the coalition formed in December may not have worked, but it showed that there are alternatives to what we have.

We need some electoral reform, badly. But after the abysmal referendum in Ontario 2 years ago where 95% of the population had no understanding of what was being proposed and the question was worded awkwardly on the ballot, I doubt that Mr. Harper or Ignatieff or even Duceppe or Layton would be open to that type of thing. It would work wonderfully for the Greens because in the last election they got over 1 million votes, but no seats to show for it. Sigh... our system is flawed, but no one who has any power wants to change it.

Menno · 09-11-2009, 04:14 AM

I agree with Elizabeth May as best PM. From what I understand the Green Party, while having a hippie reputation, is actually fairly fiscally centrist. They will likely get my vote in the next election.