teachers paid for doing nothing

Kentl · 06-23-2009, 10:16 AM

700 NYC teachers are paid to do nothing - Yahoo! News

Almost Enough · 06-23-2009, 10:22 AM

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The 700 or so teachers can practice yoga, work on their novels, paint portraits of their colleagues — pretty much anything but school work. They have summer vacation just like their classroom colleagues and enjoy weekends and holidays through the school year.

Hmm...sounds like some of my college classes.

Kentl · 06-23-2009, 10:24 AM

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Hmm...sounds like some of my college classes.

true
but
What gets me is some of them might have had sexual contact and they still get paid

S.B.Nichols · 06-23-2009, 10:24 AM

Teachers in NYC get paid 70k....or more?? I know cost of living is higher, but geez...

Kentl · 06-23-2009, 10:34 AM

Okay now at first I did not no what to say but here is my take

If a teacher dose something wrong they et paid in till they are guilty
So they get paid for doing bad things in a way after all they aren’t doing their job a teachers job is not to sit around all day (I know a lot of them do)
Anyways the contracts lets them work their job (teaching) which they aren’t doing
Anyone else see this?

tlj009 · 06-23-2009, 10:55 AM

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Okay now at first I did not no what to say but here is my take

If a teacher dose something wrong they et paid in till they are guilty
So they get paid for doing bad things in a way after all they aren’t doing their job a teachers job is not to sit around all day (I know a lot of them do)
Anyways the contracts lets them work their job (teaching) which they aren’t doing
Anyone else see this?

It isn't the teachers or the union that you should be mad at. You should be mad at the "City Education Officials". In my area it would be the school board. It should be obvious to anyone that if you are paying 700 teachers every day, then you could pay 23 (or more) arbiters to work 5 days a week instead of a month and come out ahead.

**thesteve** · 06-23-2009, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by S.B.Nichols

Teachers in NYC get paid 70k....or more?? I know cost of living is higher, but geez...

Yeah...sounds a little extreme to me as well. Maybe school administrators get that much, but I know here in San Diego teachers don't approach 70K until they've been teaching for quite some time and have a bunch of supplemental education too.

mulletman · 06-23-2009, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by tlj009

It isn't the teachers or the union that you should be mad at. You should be mad at the "City Education Officials". In my area it would be the school board. It should be obvious to anyone that if you are paying 700 teachers every day, then you could pay 23 (or more) arbiters to work 5 days a week instead of a month and come out ahead.

Indeed. The union is going to take what they can get... and if I was a teacher, I doubt I'd turn down that kind of money for a non-job. It's the idiocy in the administration that gives it to them....

Bryan · 06-23-2009, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by tlj009

It isn't the teachers or the union that you should be mad at. You should be mad at the "City Education Officials". In my area it would be the school board. It should be obvious to anyone that if you are paying 700 teachers every day, then you could pay 23 (or more) arbiters to work 5 days a week instead of a month and come out ahead.

i was wondering why the hell the arbiters only worked 5 days a month too. I want that job.

JerryLove · 06-23-2009, 01:03 PM

I can see several people don't like this but it's unclear to me what alternative they would prefer.

Shall we fire people on the allegation of misconduct?
Shall we leave someone who might have been abusive running a class when we've not so much as investigated?

It does sound like the investigation system there may be a bit slow. It does sound like the firing procedures may be a bit overly-difficult.

mulletman · 06-23-2009, 01:46 PM

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It does sound like the investigation system there may be a bit slow. It does sound like the firing procedures may be a bit overly-difficult.

Indeed. How slow this process appears to be is my only gripe with this sort of system. Firing over allegations is not something I would agree with, and keeping these people in the classrooms doesn't seem like a good option either.

**Epaphras** · 06-23-2009, 02:37 PM

I don't understand why they can't just put delinquent teachers on home leave at 50-60% salary (or unpaid for particularly heinous acts) during an investigation. Why pay them 100% to sit around?

If they pay the teachers to sit around and do nothing, then they should pay students to sit around and do nothing, since that's exactly what we did 90% of each day in high school. A 10-minute lesson and 40 minutes for a worksheet that would take any rational person 5 minutes to complete is not an efficient use of anyone's time. Even worse were what I called "movie days" when we'd watch a movie or educational film in 4 out of 5 classes in one day while the teacher snoozed or surfed the Internet.

I'm normally not a fan of unions but these NYC teachers have to put up with a lot of crap -- from students and from administrators. It's probably the hardest place to be a teacher in the US. I'm sure the turnover rate is very very high. So I agree with teacher unions in general (especially in NYC) but this case is an obvious abuse of the system.

Almost Enough · 06-23-2009, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Epaphras

I don't understand why they can't just put delinquent teachers on home leave at 50-60% salary (or unpaid for particularly heinous acts) during an investigation. Why pay them 100% to sit around?

If they pay the teachers to sit around and do nothing, then they should pay students to sit around and do nothing, since that's exactly what we did 90% of each day in high school. A 10-minute lesson and 40 minutes for a worksheet that would take any rational person 5 minutes to complete is not an efficient use of anyone's time. Even worse were what I called "movie days" when we'd watch a movie or educational film in 4 out of 5 classes in one day while the teacher snoozed or surfed the Internet.

I'm normally not a fan of unions but these NYC teachers have to put up with a lot of crap -- from students and from administrators. It's probably the hardest place to be a teacher in the US. I'm sure the turnover rate is very very high. So I agree with teacher unions in general (especially in NYC) but this case is an obvious abuse of the system.

This is what I was getting at in my post.

This is just one symptom of an even bigger problem that is our public educational system. I personally think all teachers should be making $70,000 a year. Maybe they'd take their jobs more seriously, and school would actually be an academically stimulating environment.

darfaz · 06-23-2009, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Epaphras

I don't understand why they can't just put delinquent teachers on home leave at 50-60% salary (or unpaid for particularly heinous acts) during an investigation. Why pay them 100% to sit around?

Because the leave is based upon allegations. Allegations that could prove to be completely false and unfounded. As a public high school teacher myself, this is a fear that I have always had. Some student could say that I assaulted him/her simply because they earned a bad grade in class. I don't believe it is right for a teacher to be harmed financially over something that has yet to be proven.

Ax · 06-23-2009, 03:47 PM

It's not the fault of the teachers. The problem here is that they don't have their trials in a timely fashion. They should be given their trials nigh immediately.