So my bro...

**scared2mosh** · 06-21-2009, 09:40 PM

is possibly buying an '10 Chevy Cobalt SS. It's actually pretty nice... especially considering he can get $4500 off for turning in our old minivan that died, then $1500 towards a new car ( as appreciation for my parents buying an HHR), and my Dad's employee pricing... he should be able to get it for $5000. I'm pretty jealous... although I would get his car for free (even though it isnt a Jeep Wrangler

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What is your opinion on the car?

**Sean.thomson** · 06-21-2009, 09:57 PM

beer

***Art*** · 06-21-2009, 10:00 PM

I have a low opinion on GM vehicles in general right now, but if I could get that car for $5k, I would jump on it. It would be worth more than I paid for it immediately.

I do not care for the cobalt personally, but I do not really have anything specifically bad to say about it.

Napoleon17 · 06-21-2009, 10:04 PM

I recently sold a clunker for $1,000.00. Then I hear about this stupid new cash for clunkers program 4 months later. Now I am mad.

monkeysmile · 06-21-2009, 10:50 PM

Buy $5000 worth of beer.

**scared2mosh** · 06-22-2009, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by McLuvinjesus

I recently sold a clunker for $1,000.00. Then I hear about this stupid new cash for clunkers program 4 months later. Now I am mad.

buy a junker for $300

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Originally Posted by Art

I have a low opinion on GM vehicles in general right now, but if I could get that car for $5k, I would jump on it. It would be worth more than I paid for it immediately.

I do not care for the cobalt personally, but I do not really have anything specifically bad to say about it.

It's ok for a single person car, but it isnt my fav

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Originally Posted by monkeysmile

Buy $5000 worth of beer.

uhhhh no

**scared2mosh** · 06-22-2009, 07:38 PM

well I misspoke I was thinking of the ls model. it would actually be in the 10-12k range... still it's not too bad.

ps according to JD power & associates Chevy and Ford cars are actually equal in quality to Toyota and Ford and Chevy trucks surpass Toyota in quality... just for all you domestic car haters

mulletman · 06-22-2009, 08:51 PM

JD power and associates carries about as much credibility with me as Ralph Nader claiming that he isn't going to run for president. I base my vehicle opinions on my own experience, the experience of those close to me, the laws of physics, features available, and depending on the vehicle and target market, cost. And based on that, the statement of Chevy trucks being equal quality to Toyota trucks is more than a bit laughable. My family has owned both, over a period of over 25 years. We now own two of one, and none of the other.

That said, you asked for an opinion of the car. Here ya go. It's FWD. That alone is enough for me to begin hating it. It's a small FWD GM product. I recently have had some experience with that variety, and I'd rather poke myself in the eyes repeatedly than own such a vehicle. It was tied for the single worst vehicle I've ever actually had a decent amount of experience with. (tied with a newish Dodge product.) If I were your brother I'd probably buy it, depending on the deal that I could get. Then, I'd immediately attempt to sell it. If he can turn a profit by flipping the car, I'd recommend it.

mattslope · 06-22-2009, 08:54 PM

I was going to shut up. I scrolled through with great restraint until I saw this:

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Originally Posted by scared2mosh

ps according to JD power & associates Chevy and Ford cars are actually equal in quality to Toyota and Ford and Chevy trucks surpass Toyota in quality... just for all you domestic car haters

No. Sit in a new Toyota. Pick one in the same price range and class. Then sit in a GM product. Repeat this process for a new Ford. Although the drivetrains may be of equal quality between brands, the Toyota will have a far nicer level of fit and finish. Things like HVAC controls, dash board materials, gaps and vents will be of much higher quality. I did this myself Friday, and let me tell you, I was dismayed by the level of American build standards (Chevy Malibu, Ford Fusion, and Toyota Camry; each in cloth interiors).

Bear in mind that all Toyotas sold in the USA (minus the Prius, which is still built in Japan) are built in the USA. Calling them imports is akin to calling a Mexican built Focus a domestic.

All that said, a FWD vehicle with more than 250 horses will display torque steer, understeer and or wheel hop at an unacceptable level. When you approach that level of horsepower, aforementioned negative tendancies will still pop up, but not at as high a level as to be dangerous.

So, a supercharged Cobalt? Sure, provided you keep the revs low and keep out of corners. At that point, why not buy a base model Cobalt?

mulletman · 06-22-2009, 08:57 PM

For 5k, I'd go for it. Thrash on if for a few months, and then sell if for a sizable profit. For 10-12k, no way. Why would I, when this is perfect and 11.5 grand?

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mattslope · 06-22-2009, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by The Phantom Mullet

For 5k, I'd go for it. Thrash on if for a few months, and then sell if for a sizable profit. For 10-12k, no way. Why would I, when this is perfect and 11.5 grand?Cars For Sale: Car Details - AutoTrader.com

Yes.

**scared2mosh** · 06-22-2009, 09:49 PM

very true.

although the way I see it for 10-12k I could get a really nice Corvette or a really really nice jeep wrangler... and if I was buying a new car I would buy GM because my dad works for it. Employee pricing FTW.

ps you have to admit though that domestic cars have improved in recent years, and that they are continuing to improve. just saying... although Obama is probably going to ruin them before they have a chance to make up for their mistakes.

mulletman · 06-22-2009, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by scared2mosh

although the way I see it for 10-12k I could get a really nice Corvette or a really really nice jeep wrangler... and if I was buying a new car I would buy GM because my dad works for it. Employee pricing FTW.

Indeed. Does employee pricing give you enough of a discount that you could successfully just buy and sell new cars at a profit? I'm guessing that somehow, this is prohibited...

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Originally Posted by scared2mosh

ps you have to admit though that domestic cars have improved in recent years, and that they are continuing to improve. just saying... although Obama is probably going to ruin them before they have a chance to make up for their mistakes.

They have probably improved in quality. I'm still disappointed in the fact that they continue to absolutely ignore several segments of the market, that others are competing in. That, and once they decide to compete in a market, it would be nice if for once they didn't just try to under-cut the competition price-wise. How about trying to build a better car, and if it costs more, so be it? If it's good enough, people will pay for it.

**scared2mosh** · 06-22-2009, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by The Phantom Mullet

Indeed. Does employee pricing give you enough of a discount that you could successfully just buy and sell new cars at a profit? I'm guessing that somehow, this is prohibited...

my dad has bought at least 25 corvettes off the line (he only kept 3-5 for more than a week- month) then sold them at a pretty good profit

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They have probably improved in quality. I'm still disappointed in the fact that they continue to absolutely ignore several segments of the market, that others are competing in. That, and once they decide to compete in a market, it would be nice if for once they didn't just try to under-cut the competition price-wise. How about trying to build a better car, and if it costs more, so be it? If it's good enough, people will pay for it.

this is true. one thing I dont understand is why they havent even tried to enter the motorcycle/ atv market...

mulletman · 06-22-2009, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by scared2mosh

my dad has bought at least 25 corvettes off the line (he only kept 3-5 for more than a week- month) then sold them at a pretty good profit

Ah, nice. Although this sort of activity hurts the company.....

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Originally Posted by scared2mosh

this is true. one thing I dont understand is why they havent even tried to enter the motorcycle/ atv market...

I think it might just be that they'd have to start from scratch, and they'd be way too far behind to be competitive.