[Jeffrey]

BUT NATE WITHOUT UNIVERSAL HIGHER EDUCATION PEOPLE WON'T LEARN TO BE GOOD N MORAL N POLITICALLY SAAVY LIKE THE BOOK-LEARNING FOLKS. WELL-ROUNDNESS ONLY COMES FROM ACADEMIC EDUCATION.

We're also seeing that having a college education means less and less in this contracting job market. So the argument that subsidizing college helps more people become upwardly-mobile may need to at least be reevaluated if one isn't ready to jettison it.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by jthomas1600

One problem I have with what seems to be being proposed (if I'm reading right) is that while it would reward those that went into public service (which I'm OK with), it could also reward those who are just less ambitious and make poor career choices. Did anyone else see that or did I miss read or miss something?

I think their frequent holidays, ample benefits, and often staggering inability to be dismissed for poor job performance is compensation.

[AlphaSigma]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

I think their frequent holidays, ample benefits, and often staggering inability to be dismissed for poor job performance is compensation.

That's not everyone. Granted some teachers I've had this is true of but others are hard workers and work well.

[Epaphras]

Originally Posted by AlphaSigma

That's not everyone. Granted some teachers I've had this is true of but others are hard workers and work well.

Good teachers or bad, they still have summers off and multiple long vacations throughout the rest of the year.

It's a good thing that good teachers don't need to constantly worry about losing their jobs. It's bad that bad teachers can keep their jobs because they technically do just enough to keep their jobs.

Anyway, I already know of several recent graduates who are taking advantage of this program, mostly because they haven't had any luck in the Michigan job market since last fall when they started the search.

[AlphaSigma]

Originally Posted by Epaphras

Good teachers or bad, they still have summers off and multiple long vacations throughout the rest of the year.

It's a good thing that good teachers don't need to constantly worry about losing their jobs. It's bad that bad teachers can keep their jobs because they technically do just enough to keep their jobs.

Anyway, I already know of several recent graduates who are taking advantage of this program, mostly because they haven't had any luck in the Michigan job market since last fall when they started the search.

Do you need to enroll or are you minimum payments automatically adjusted for federal loans?

[Epaphras]

Originally Posted by AlphaSigma

Do you need to enroll or are you minimum payments automatically adjusted for federal loans?

IBRinfo :: Help is here!

That site should have all the info you need.

[redbaron]

The real problem is that with the staggeringly bad state of primary education these days, combined with laziness and entitlement mentality, everyone needs a good job, but they don't need to work for it, and they certainly won't have learned anything in primary schools.

As such you need a bachelors to be an administrative assistant because a high school graduate that years ago would've been just fine in the position graduates with the reading & writing skills of a 3rd grader today.

Frankly, there are fields that require college, but it's getting preposterous, and there's something even more ridiculous about going 50-100k in debt to get a $25-35k/year job. Unless it's absolutely the career you're called to it's not a good choice, and frankly if it is your calling, you should be working hard enough to get scholarships, work your way through school, etc.

I can't imagine being saddled with that kind of debt load with such a low income ceiling. I have a friend who just graduated with ~300k in debt from school, but he's now an OB/GYN and repaying the loans won't be the problem that it would be if he'd ended up with that kind of debt load in a job that had low income potential.

plaaaaaaan ahead!

[Jfool]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

BUT NATE WITHOUT UNIVERSAL HIGHER EDUCATION PEOPLE WON'T LEARN TO BE GOOD N MORAL N POLITICALLY SAAVY LIKE THE BOOK-LEARNING FOLKS. WELL-ROUNDNESS ONLY COMES FROM ACADEMIC EDUCATION.

We're also seeing that having a college education means less and less in this contracting job market. So the argument that subsidizing college helps more people become upwardly-mobile may need to at least be reevaluated if one isn't ready to jettison it.

Ripple effect!

Subsidizing college =
--> Expensive tuition, glut of students & graduates
--> Higher expectations & lower pay for job applicants (combined with the double income family)

[AlphaSigma]

Originally Posted by Epaphras

IBRinfo :: Help is here!

That site should have all the info you need.

Thank you kindly.