[What5647]

Originally Posted by mattslope

There are plenty that brag about the handling ability of their cars.

True. Ones that run their mouths like that tend to run slow times and not be very popular as well. Also, you have to put it into perspective, a muscle car is better handling than, say, a pickup or a crown vic/caddie/buick/some other boat of a car.

Just because it's a running chainsaw doesn't mean it can't be a baby sitter. Just not as good a baby sitter as a kindly old lady.

I don't get your point. I've driven solid axles, and I've got IRS on my Sky. Both can be driven to the limit, it's just that the limit is in different places. Both were equally fun to drive. Sure, one was slower, but it was still enjoyable.

Isn't having fun the point of having a good vehicle? And for that, SRA is adequate.

Adequate. No, it's not the best, no it's not ideal, but it gets the job done.

I'll drive the wheels off any vehicle, FWD, SRA RWD, IRS RWD, AWD, whatever.

EDIT: Oh, and one more thing. Supposedly, the early Kappas (Skys/Solstices, the 2.4 LE5 ones, not the ones with the 2.0 turbo engine.) had solid rear axles. I think IRS was an option. Anyway, I've heard rumors that a few people swapped their IRS for the SRA setup. Why? Reliability. The early rear diffs had issues...

[Wolvrin704]

Originally Posted by mattslope

Muscle car guys often forget that they are driving muscle cars and begin to brag about how great their cars handle. I slap them down frequently. As long as we all agree that SRA is a lower quality suspension layout than IRS, and the only benefit is for straight line strength, towing boats, and cost, then we'll all get along wonderfully.I agree.Your CAI presents no real world performance gain.

None.

What is your exhaust? Did you replace the cats free flowing units? Do your headers have larger primary tubes and better bends? Are you running larger diameter pipe with low restriction mufflers and better quality bends? When you say 'tune', are you talking a computer reflash?

That's the paradox. Mustang guys get excited about OHCs, but defend SRAs. It's like thinking that boob implants are gross, but butt implants are great. I don't follow the logic.

The current world drift record as recognized by the Guinesss Book of WOrld Records is held by a ...............2010 Mustang GT.

The current 2010 GT puts up numbers comparable with the Camaro SS in turning, sdidpad, braking , etc. The Camaro has IRS. You would be suprised how well the new Mustang Handles despite the SRA. You would be suprised how well a Mustang can be made to handle with aftermarket parts. And I'm not saying they're any kind of world beaters, just saying they can be made to handle well.

I won't disagree much about the CAI, but they do add a very slight amount of HP, like maybe 2-3hp at the very best. But what my setup has to do with anything is beyond me. I was merely giving an example of what I have in my setup, and most people assume I am completely stock but I'm not. Many mustangs go for the sleeper look so don't assume that because they don't have a body kit and all kinds of high end racing gear that they aren't modified.

As for OHC, Mustang guys get excited about 2 things.........RWHP and torque. They really couldn't care less if its OHC or pushrod, it really doesn't matter. We only defend SRA's because they are an overall better performer on the track which is the primary type of racing that Mustangs are used for.

I am a car guy and I love all kinds of different cars, but really having one type of system over another isn't a deciding point for me. Every vehicle I own I would have bought regardless of what type of drivetrain, engine or suspension it uses. As it happens I have 3 vehicles; 1 is FWD with IRS, one is AWD with IRS and one is RWD with SRA. Guess which one is the most fun to drive, of course I don't use it for family trips but its more of a matter of room than it is for suspension.

[redbaron]

drifting has nothing to do with handling Otherwise they wouldn't run crap tires to have less traction

Aside from that, it's ballet with an engine, not racing

[musaclover]

I just love them all really! Well... most

[mulletman]

Originally Posted by redbaron

drifting has nothing to do with handling Otherwise they wouldn't run crap tires to have less traction

Aside from that, it's ballet with an engine, not racing

Took the words right out of my mouth. The only time that drifting = handling is when you're on dirt, or AWD. Basically, WRC style. Other than that, the only things required for 'drifting' is a lack of traction, some sort of limited-slip diff, and a surplus of tires.

And as far as mods go.... to a non-owner of your specific vehicle, mods that don't actually do anything is about the same as not having any mods.

[What5647]

Originally Posted by The Phantom Mullet

Took the words right out of my mouth. The only time that drifting = handling is when you're on dirt, and AWD. Basically, WRC style. Other than that, the only things required for 'drifting' is a lack of traction, some sort of limited-slip diff, and a surplus of tires.

And as far as mods go.... to a non-owner of your specific vehicle, mods that don't actually do anything is about the same as not having any mods.

So, RWD isn't allowed to drift on dirt?

Somebody hasn't been to many dirt track races...World of outlaws, anyone?

[mulletman]

Read what I wrote, and you'll see that I never claimed that?



And RWD cars can do whatever they want on dirt....

[What5647]

Originally Posted by The Phantom Mullet

The only time that drifting = handling is when you're on dirt, and AWD.

That says that you have to be on dirt, and AWD. That would exclude RWD...

Maybe you ment to type "or" instead of "and?"

[mulletman]

Quite. Fixed.

In any case, even RWD drifting on dirt is frequently not the quickest way through, in my experience. And AWD drifting on pavement isn't either....

[LaserRacer]

Allowed, Yes...Fast, No.

Why do you think the successful teams in WRC run AWD.

[mulletman]

Originally Posted by Wolvrin704

The current 2010 GT puts up numbers comparable with the Camaro SS in turning, sdidpad, braking , etc. The Camaro has IRS. You would be suprised how well the new Mustang Handles despite the SRA. You would be suprised how well a Mustang can be made to handle with aftermarket parts. And I'm not saying they're any kind of world beaters, just saying they can be made to handle well.

Using a Camaro as a performance benchmark is kind of like the "Are you smarter than a 5th grader?" idea....

Originally Posted by Wolvrin704

As for OHC, Mustang guys get excited about 2 things.........RWHP and torque. They really couldn't care less if its OHC or pushrod, it really doesn't matter. We only defend SRA's because they are an overall better performer on the track which is the primary type of racing that Mustangs are used for.

OHC > pushrod, in every application that I can think of. If they get excited about RWHP, then the idea of flowing massively more air and fuel should be something to get excited about.

Originally Posted by LaserRacer

Allowed, Yes...Fast, No.

Why do you think the successful teams in WRC run AWD.

Probably because Audi absolutely destroyed everyone in sight when they unleashed the original Quattro.

Like you said.... fast? No. The idea of 'handling' is in an effort to go fast.

[VERONIK NR]

My God, I though that I was the only one who loved the great Mustang GT.... now I see Im not the only 1...