[Kentl]

Originally Posted by 1/2-Fast Player

Major Tom wrote:

> ...wore out the grooves on a lot of vinyl.

LOL! Hey, Tom, you and I are from the same generation, but hardly anyone under age 25 will understand what this means. My 14 year old son has never in his life heard music played with a diamond stylus riding in a groove in vinyl. Someday maybe I'll clean the cobwebs off my old Garrard turntable and show him how things worked in ye olden days.

Recently I heard someone mention the "left end of the radio dial" and both my kids gave me "Huh?" looks. They've never seen anything other than a digital tuner.

Cross-generation communication becomes more fun every year.

Kentl, you've posted many requests asking for help, and many of us have given you advice and suggestions. Have you tried anything that's been suggested?

Several of us gave you easy beginner songs. Have you picked one out and started working on it yet?

Several of us gave you suggestions for how to play "Jesus Loves Me." Did you learn how to play it yet?

If you haven't done these things, please go do them and then come back and tell us how it worked out.

i tried Jesus Loves Me and still but i only have three days in till the 31
yes i have pikced one song to work on

[1/2-Fast Player]

What does "tried" to play "Jesus Loves Me" mean?

Did you try to run all the way through it one time?

Or did you sit down and work on it steadily, one measure at a time, doing it over and over and over and over and over until it sounded right?

Which beginner song are you going to work on?

[LC7rock]

Originally Posted by Major Tom

A teacher would probably be a good idea, but if you can't get one, work around it, and don't look back. I did not have formal lessons, but I had lots of teachers; Eric Clapton, Jimi Hendrix, Billy Gibbons, on and on - I listened and copied. over and over. wore out the grooves on a lot of vinyl. If you want to learn songs, pick ones that you like, that will keep your interest and spend as much time as necessary playing along. Youtube, CD's, DVD's. There is software that will slow songs down to help learn...

If you want more specific help, you'll probably need to record yourself playing a specific song, and that way someone could give you specific advice on what is and is not working, and how to improve.

Amen to that!!!

You have to think things through... And even though some of us learned without formal lessons, we learned from all the guitarists we've heard or seen! Learn from others, not really in stupid music notation or formal things. But learn from what you want to do.

[Rainer.]

Originally Posted by LC7rock

Amen to that!!!

You have to think things through... And even though some of us learned without formal lessons, we learned from all the guitarists we've heard or seen! Learn from others, not really in stupid music notation or formal things. But learn from what you want to do.

Hey! Musical notation isn't stupid!

In fact, I get a fair number of playing jobs because I can actually read standard notation...

[gtrdave]

Originally Posted by Rainer.

Hey! Musical notation isn't stupid!

In fact, I get a fair number of playing jobs because I can actually read standard notation...

Ditto. I've done several gigs where knowledge of music notation, lead sheet and even the numbers system were mandatory and my current gig as music minister requires that I know all of those traditions and more in order to properly communicate with other musicians on many different levels of skill and understanding.

Hardly stupid.

[1/2-Fast Player]

Amen!

Were I not able to read music, I'd be hopelessly lost in our praise band, or at least a real burden on the other players. And learning new songs would take me forever. We add a new song or two every week, so it's a big help to be able to read.

[Kentl]

Originally Posted by 1/2-Fast Player

What does "tried" to play "Jesus Loves Me" mean?

Did you try to run all the way through it one time?

Or did you sit down and work on it steadily, one measure at a time, doing it over and over and over and over and over until it sounded right?

Which beginner song are you going to work on?

it means i as still tryinng the first
jeseus loves me this i know for the bible tells me so
and i have not gone on ahead yet
i am working on blesed be your name

[1/2-Fast Player]

Good. Work on it one little piece at a time. When the first piece sounds good, move on to the next part. Let us know how you progress.

[Kentl]

Originally Posted by 1/2-Fast Player

Good. Work on it one little piece at a time. When the first piece sounds good, move on to the next part. Let us know how you progress.

okay i will

one more post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[LC7rock]

Originally Posted by Rainer.

Hey! Musical notation isn't stupid!

In fact, I get a fair number of playing jobs because I can actually read standard notation...

I can read it... I've just needed it. Ever... I've figured out what ever I've needed to play by ear. Actually I've just gotten so used to playing with other people and how to get certain feelings out of a song that I've been able to play some stuff by only hearing once. Mostly whenever I have to do things if I've heard the melody line, (sometimes I can do it without even hearing it) I can sense when the changes come.

Originally Posted by gtrdave

Ditto. I've done several gigs where knowledge of music notation, lead sheet and even the numbers system were mandatory and my current gig as music minister requires that I know all of those traditions and more in order to properly communicate with other musicians on many different levels of skill and understanding.
Hardly stupid.

I was talking about just starting playing guitar. Most of the time music notation is a hang up for newbies. To really read it you need to know some basic music theory, which I seriously doubt most noobs know.

Originally Posted by 1/2-Fast Player

Amen!

Were I not able to read music, I'd be hopelessly lost in our praise band, or at least a real burden on the other players. And learning new songs would take me forever. We add a new song or two every week, so it's a big help to be able to read.

Learn to play by ear (or feeling, whatever you like to call it)... Yes, music notation can help, I've just never needed it.

Originally Posted by Kentl

it means i as still tryinng the first
jeseus loves me this i know for the bible tells me so
and i have not gone on ahead yet
i am working on blesed be your name

What are you trying to learn, the chords or the melody line?

[Rainer.]

Originally Posted by LC7rock

I was talking about just starting playing guitar. Most of the time music notation is a hang up for newbies. To really read it you need to know some basic music theory, which I seriously doubt most noobs know.

But it does open a whole realm of written music up to a player. Reading standard notation is particularly difficult for guitarists, yes, but what gets me is the fact that out of every instrument out there, guitarists seem to think they are exempt from having to learn it.

(Aside: How do you get a guitarist to slow down? Put a sheet of music in front of him... How do you get him to stop? Put notes on it. )

Written music is important for any musician wanting to further their craft. For any guitarist, sure, you may be able to get by without it, but if you're really serious about playing, learn to read music.

Sure, I'm a great ear player, too, but when I have to communicate something to another musician or others need to communicate musical ideas to me, written notation is still of incredible importance. A professional guitarist who can't read sheet music won't be able to get many jobs. I use standard notation all the time, in pro gigs, in bands, wherever I play. In fact, something that I rarely use, and rarely see used, is tab.


So sure, you'll be able to get by without knowing it for a while. But I'd tell anyone who is serious about music to learn standard notation.

[Demon_Hunter]

I started out reading music.

The first guitar method book I ever bought was by Hal Leonard, and every lesson was in standard notation, and tab wasnt introduced until way later in that book.

So, to say its a hangup for newbies is not entirely accurate. Without standard notation I wouldnt have grasped those first lessons the way I did, and I wouldnt have some of the reading skills I have now (i cant really read music that well at all, but I can read some stuff, and it helps).

I jsut regret that Ive gotten lazy and not kept up with studying reading standard notation.

[jeepnstein]

Originally Posted by Rainer.

But it does open a whole realm of written music up to a player. Reading standard notation is particularly difficult for guitarists, yes, but what gets me is the fact that out of every instrument out there, guitarists seem to think they are exempt from having to learn it.

(Aside: How do you get a guitarist to slow down? Put a sheet of music in front of him... How do you get him to stop? Put notes on it. )

Written music is important for any musician wanting to further their craft. For any guitarist, sure, you may be able to get by without it, but if you're really serious about playing, learn to read music.

Sure, I'm a great ear player, too, but when I have to communicate something to another musician or others need to communicate musical ideas to me, written notation is still of incredible importance. A professional guitarist who can't read sheet music won't be able to get many jobs. I use standard notation all the time, in pro gigs, in bands, wherever I play. In fact, something that I rarely use, and rarely see used, is tab.


So sure, you'll be able to get by without knowing it for a while. But I'd tell anyone who is serious about music to learn standard notation.

This is true. I can't think of any arranger who is willing to take their time to convert their work to tab. If you want to make a living playing music you must be able to read it.

What tab does is speed up your ability to play by ear and master chords. It does help with learning the fret board but the ultimate goal is to read standard notation. I never really saw that until I started working through "Fretboard Logic".

[Kentl]

Originally Posted by LC7rock

I can read it... I've just needed it. Ever... I've figured out what ever I've needed to play by ear. Actually I've just gotten so used to playing with other people and how to get certain feelings out of a song that I've been able to play some stuff by only hearing once. Mostly whenever I have to do things if I've heard the melody line, (sometimes I can do it without even hearing it) I can sense when the changes come.




I was talking about just starting playing guitar. Most of the time music notation is a hang up for newbies. To really read it you need to know some basic music theory, which I seriously doubt most noobs know.



Learn to play by ear (or feeling, whatever you like to call it)... Yes, music notation can help, I've just never needed it.

What are you trying to learn, the chords or the melody line?

i know the chords
they are
D
G
A
E
anyways 'i know how the chords go and i know how the song gose i just cant play it like it gose yet

also side note i tried to learen to read music
but i figured i had way to much to do now
once i compleate my first song i might pick that up but then agian my church and a lot of the small town bands i see use tab
i dont think i know any that read music