Glee

**Role Modlin** · 08-17-2011, 05:53 AM

I have never understood the fascination with this show. The writing is horrendous. Occasionally there are clever musical numbers...but they aren't enough to redeem it for me. The characters are poorly written and unbelievable.

I have been around "choral club" kids for years and I see nothing on that show that even resembles the real world. It's about as realistic as High School Musical...but less entertaining.

Bryan · 08-17-2011, 08:31 AM

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Isn't it sad how shows slowly go to the dogs in the ways of morals. I quite enjoyed the first season with the songs and how the gleeks always kept on trying and stuck together (well most of the time). Finding I dont want to watch it as much because of all the sex and pro-gay stuff. Wouldn't it be nice if they kept it a real family show with a good level of morals.

what, you thought it was a "real family show" to begin with? that's funny...

Bryan · 08-17-2011, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Role Modlin

I have never understood the fascination with this show. The writing is horrendous. Occasionally there are clever musical numbers...but they aren't enough to redeem it for me. The characters are poorly written and unbelievable.

I have been around "choral club" kids for years and I see nothing on that show that even resembles the real world. It's about as realistic as High School Musical...but less entertaining.

to each his own i guess, I think the writing is decent, I wouldn't call it amazing though. The best parts of the writing always involve Sue Sylvester.

**Role Modlin** · 08-17-2011, 08:34 AM

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to each his own i guess, I think the writing is decent, I wouldn't call it amazing though. The best parts of the writing always involve Sue Sylvester.

I confess...I am not impressed with the vast majority of writing on television. It's not just Glee.

**Role Modlin** · 08-17-2011, 08:36 AM

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what, you thought it was a "real family show" to begin with? that's funny...

Well...when they market it towards and try to sell it to my pre-teen and teenage sons...I would ask what they're trying to sell it as.

My six year old daughter knows what Glee is and we don't even watch it. They even have Glee clothes for pre-teens in almost any store.

Bryan · 08-17-2011, 08:37 AM

ah well, in all fairness, i'm pretty indiscriminate when it comes to movies and TV. I will say that Glee's overall quality of the show has declined since the first episode. I'm not talking about the subject matter. But the dialogue between characters and the placement of songs. Sue Silvester is still by far my favorite character.

Bryan · 08-17-2011, 08:43 AM

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Well...when they market it towards and try to sell it to my pre-teen and teenage sons...I would ask what they're trying to sell it as.

My six year old daughter knows what Glee is and we don't even watch it.

well I used quotation marks around real family show for a reason. Because what you think of as a real family and having real family values is probably far different than secular America.

WHile you may disagree, I think it has had a good message on several areas. When they did the teenage drinking the show was in the end about the negative consequences of drinking. Of course I like the message on GLBT youth they have had. I'm sure there are other things I could mention but they escape me at this point.

**Role Modlin** · 08-17-2011, 08:56 AM

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well I used quotation marks around real family show for a reason. Because what you think of as a real family and having real family values is probably far different than secular America.

WHile you may disagree, I think it has had a good message on several areas. When they did the teenage drinking the show was in the end about the negative consequences of drinking. Of course I like the message on GLBT youth they have had. I'm sure there are other things I could mention but they escape me at this point.

And I would point to their message on GLBT as one of the things I do not like.

We'll just have to agree to disagree...I'm cool with that.

I really had no intention of discussing any "message" the show supposedly gives...I was merely commenting on the fact that I think it is a poorly written show.

**thesteve** · 08-17-2011, 05:15 PM

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well I used quotation marks around real family show for a reason. Because what you think of as a real family and having real family values is probably far different than secular America.

WHile you may disagree, I think it has had a good message on several areas. When they did the teenage drinking the show was in the end about the negative consequences of drinking. Of course I like the message on GLBT youth they have had. I'm sure there are other things I could mention but they escape me at this point.

While I don't necessarily disagree with this, the general handling of social situations in the program just don't really seem solid.

Sure, when the kids drank they all got sick. That's a good message. However, they still got away with it. Shue also gets drunk, drunk dials Emma and feels like a jerk and a hypocrite for being hard on the kids about drinking because he's also a drinker. I don't know if the message there is really that clear. On the one hand the message is getting drunk is bad. On the other hand the message is, if an adult who drinks tells an underage person to stop drinking, he's a hypocrite.

I have seen every episode of Glee with the exception of the very first two or three episodes (the ones shown in the Spring before the first season) and generally have found their handling of some topics to be really awkward, particularly for a show that claims its target audience is pre-teens. For example, I've found parts of the handling of Brittany and Santana's relationship interesting, and from a secular standpoint, admirable. On the other hand, I found their mentioning of "scissoring" during one conversation completely unnecessary and overly graphic for a show that's supposedly for the benefit of pre-teens. I've found that Ryan Murphy and his team does this often, mixing a strong, positive (general perspective) message with a trite, crass comment that leaves the viewer thinking, "what just happened?" When this is all mixed into the context of a comedy, I often wonder if we're supposed to take Murphy's moral messages seriously.

**Sean** · 08-21-2011, 03:47 PM

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to each his own i guess, I think the writing is decent, I wouldn't call it amazing though. The best parts of the writing always involve Sue Sylvester.

I enjoyed and followed the first season, but I thought the second season was terrible from the beginning. The season premiere seemed to abandon all the character development from the previous season, and characters behaved however the writers needed them to behave to build their story. So a character has randomly broken up with her boyfriend. Will is being manipulative and cruel out of nowhere.

Then the second episode they had Britney Spears and John Stamos guest star. Instead of developing a great story to best utilize the guest talent; they came up with: the characters go and visit John Stamos the dentist and all hallucinate about Britney Spears. ...which is an unbelievably terrible plot.

The third episode involved gaining and losing faith by praying to a piece of toast, all the "Christian" characters coming off like shallow morons, and the atheist coming off like the deep enlightened victimized thinker. It was pretending like it was an exploration of losing faith, but really it was the writers using a character to lecture their audience.

...that's when I gave up and became endlessly annoyed with the show. I'm so frustrated with it, that I'm annoyed when other people enjoy it. It's the only show which causes this reaction in me.

**Sean** · 08-21-2011, 03:54 PM

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what, you thought it was a "real family show" to begin with? that's funny...

It's not really all that funny. The creator seems to have kind of wanted it to family friendly.

Ryan Murphy - According to Fox greenlights 'Glee' pilot - Entertainment News, TV News, Media - Variety

"It's a 9 p.m. show, it's not designed for 8," he said. "But it is designed for families to watch together. It's sweet, but it will appeal to both kids and adults, it's written for both of them."

So he sort of knows it's not ok for kids, but he still wants it to appeal to both kids and adults. Which seems like a really dubious way to make a show.

**Sean** · 08-21-2011, 03:58 PM

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Sue Silvester is still by far my favorite character.

I would agree, but I'm not sure that's because she's written well. I think it has more to do with the character being better defined and the actress nailing it.

**Role Modlin** · 08-21-2011, 04:54 PM

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It's not really all that funny. The creator seems to have kind of wanted it to family friendly.

Ryan Murphy - According to Fox greenlights 'Glee' pilot - Entertainment News, TV News, Media - Variety

"It's a 9 p.m. show, it's not designed for 8," he said. "But it is designed for families to watch together. It's sweet, but it will appeal to both kids and adults, it's written for both of them."

So he sort of knows it's not ok for kids, but he still wants it to appeal to both kids and adults. Which seems like a really dubious way to make a show.

Yep.

Bryan · 08-22-2011, 08:59 AM

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And I would point to their message on GLBT as one of the things I do not like.

not surprising given your signature's link to Exodus Int'l