Luke 10:10-12, NIV

Stealth3si · 05-13-2009, 09:58 PM

"But when you enter a town and are not welcomed, go into its streets and say, 'Even the dust of your town that sticks to our feet we wipe off against you. Yet be sure of this: The kingdom of God is near.' I tell you, it will be more bearable on that day for Sodom than for that town."

Why compare to Sodom? What is Jesus saying here, about the last bit? Is He *edit*contrasting*edit* the difference in (judgement or punishment pls correct) between the Samaritans and the wicked sinners if they "sinned?"

**Thrash** · 05-14-2009, 12:33 AM

The main sin outlined in other passages of the Bible in conjunction with Sodom was inhospitality, not homosexuality. I cna't think of the passages off the top of my head....

In light of that, does the connection make more sense?

Stealth3si · 05-14-2009, 02:07 AM

Yeah thanks.

Now, I should rephrase the question:

Is Jesuss saying the townspeople's punishment (or judgment) is worse than Sodoms? If so, why? IOW, does the severity of punishment (or judgement) of the same sin (inhospitality) differ with the type of sinner?

wagonmaker · 05-14-2009, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Stealth3si

Yeah thanks.

Now, I should rephrase the question:

Is Jesuss saying the townspeople's punishment (or judgment) is worse than Sodoms? If so, why? IOW, does the severity of punishment (or judgement) of the same sin (inhospitality) differ with the type of sinner?

I would disagree that the main nature of the sin they committed was simply inhospitability. The main sin is overall disobediance in most matters:

1. Sodom has a reputation for being full of homosexuals. While, in the narrative when the angels came, there were some; in the text there's just more to it. They threatened violence after Lot refused to send the angels out--there's more sin.

2. Lot couldn't find 50 righteous people in the city. Anywhere. Lot was considered righteous, but he was the one that wanted to replace the angels with his virgin daughters. And he was considered righteous?? Outside of condemning Lot for that, if he was righteous by comparison, imagine just how bad the Sodomites were.

3. Therefore--it's overall complete rebellion being judged, not just one particular sin.

This means that in the New Testament, when the apostles brought news that the town's overall rebellion (like Sodom's overall) would be forgiven, and then they REJECTED it---THAT would be judged much more harsher than the rebellion by itself.

**Thrash** · 05-14-2009, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by wagonmaker

I would disagree that the main nature of the sin they committed was simply inhospitability. The main sin is overall disobediance in most matters:

1. Sodom has a reputation for being full of homosexuals. While, in the narrative when the angels came, there were some; in the text there's just more to it. They threatened violence after Lot refused to send the angels out--there's more sin.

2. Lot couldn't find 50 righteous people in the city. Anywhere. Lot was considered righteous, but he was the one that wanted to replace the angels with his virgin daughters. And he was considered righteous?? Outside of condemning Lot for that, if he was righteous by comparison, imagine just how bad the Sodomites were.

3. Therefore--it's overall complete rebellion being judged, not just one particular sin.

This means that in the New Testament, when the apostles brought news that the town's overall rebellion (like Sodom's overall) would be forgiven, and then they REJECTED it---THAT would be judged much more harsher than the rebellion by itself.

I think I agree, however, (damn it, I don't know the particular reference) in several other places in scripture you find the explanation for Sodom's destruction being their inhospitality.
What you cited as their sin really ust falls into the broader concept of inhospitality.
Think about it: they threatened violence, tried to force themselves upon others sexually. It is not simply "homosexuality" they are condemned for, which is something I think we both can agree on....

wagonmaker · 05-14-2009, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Thrash

I think I agree, however, (damn it, I don't know the particular reference) in several other places in scripture you find the explanation for Sodom's destruction being their inhospitality.
What you cited as their sin really ust falls into the broader concept of inhospitality.
Think about it: they threatened violence, tried to force themselves upon others sexually. It is not simply "homosexuality" they are condemned for, which is something I think we both can agree on....

Sure,

It doesn't however, take away that sin though. (But I'm sure you understand that.)

All in all, the best thing about that story is still that God had SO MUCH grace in it. Much more then I would have, but hopefully He is teaching me.

"he who has been forgiven much, loves much." (paraphrased, of course.)