[Kentl]

Originally Posted by Billgamesh

1) The Bible tells you that judgment is critical. You seem to be taking that Lutheran belief, (which I doubt to be accurate) over scripture, as I showed you already.
2) If you have nobody who shares your beliefs, then you should not be dating.

You, at your age are too young and immature to date.

so just because no one shares my beliefs i cant date (not counting age)
that is not right okay?
So just because i believe defiant I must be alone forever no
and i am sure all of you have something you wife’s husbands gf and bfs don’t agree on when it comes to believes i am sorry but no one believes the exact same thing

[Kentl]

Originally Posted by mulletman

My post was not really spoken from a position of my religious beliefs, but rather a position of logic. I think we've established that the purpose of dating is to attempt to find a spouse. Therefore, it would be logical to only date people who you think you could marry, and have a successful marriage with. Basic religious and moral views are going to be a foundation for such a relationship. The bible has this to say on the topic:

2 Corinthians 6:14
"Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?"

So it would seem to make sense to only choose to date people with whom you share these similarities. And if you are 'dating' someone, before you know what their basic religious and moral stances are, you're doing things out of order.

Am I making sense to you?

you are but i hat you say about darkness so a non believer can not become a believer because of someone they love?
you see sometimes you can change them
and also what am i suppose to do go and ask them what you think about sex?
Also dose god not one the non believers to believe?
How are they suppose to when we do that tot them
The reason I believe is because of someone being nice to me
and also her and me agree on a lot of things just not the sex thing i mean we both agree
on their is a god that we need to work out our problems
and that she needs to slow down

[mulletman]

Originally Posted by Kentl

you are but i hat you say about darkness so a non believer can not become a believer because of someone they love?

Severely improbable. And you can hate what I said there, but keep in mind that I didn't say it. God said it. That's a direct quotation from His book....

Originally Posted by Kentl

you see sometimes you can change them

No, you cannot. You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make him drink. You can lead a person to God, but you cannot change them, and make them believe. That is between them, and God.

Originally Posted by Kentl

and also what am i suppose to do go and ask them what you think about sex?

Yes.

Originally Posted by Kentl

Also dose god not one the non believers to believe?

Of course he does.

Originally Posted by Kentl

How are they suppose to when we do that tot them
The reason I believe is because of someone being nice to me

That verse is more directed at a marriage relationship, rather than general niceties and friendship. Attempting to show God's love to others is important.

Originally Posted by Kentl

and also her and me agree on a lot of things just not the sex thing i mean we both agree
on their is a god that we need to work out our problems
and that she needs to slow down

Agreeing that there "is a god" is not anywhere close. Muslims believe in "a god." People of the Hindu religion believe in "a god." Several of them, in fact. If she believes the Bible, and that what it declares to be true, then she would agree with you on the issue of sex. End of story.

[Kentl]

Originally Posted by mulletman

Severely improbable. And you can hate what I said there, but keep in mind that I didn't say it. God said it. That's a direct quotation from His book....


No, you cannot. You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make him drink. You can lead a person to God, but you cannot change them, and make them believe. That is between them, and God.


Yes.


Of course he does.


That verse is more directed at a marriage relationship, rather than general niceties and friendship. Attempting to show God's love to others is important.


Agreeing that there "is a god" is not anywhere close. Muslims believe in "a god." People of the Hindu religion believe in "a god." Several of them, in fact. If she believes the Bible, and that what it declares to be true, then she would agree with you on the issue of sex. End of story.

well how about the gay Christians?
Unfortunately she dos not believe it should be wrong just like being gay
I know you say the bible says it clear as day
And it dose but
The gay Christians what about them?
The point is that she is kind of like them
And why did god make us want sex anyway? Is what she said
And I don’t believe it is right to
Wait
But why did god do this it is like he wants you to fail
I mean he could have made it were we would not want sex in till we marry problem solved

and i meant she believes Christ died for our sins

[mulletman]

Originally Posted by Kentl

well how about the gay Christians?
Unfortunately she dos not believe it should be wrong just like being gay
I know you say the bible says it clear as day
And it dose but
The gay Christians what about them?
The point is that she is kind of like them

What about them? They struggle with sin just like the rest of us. The difference, is knowing that what you struggle with is wrong, and fighting it. Rather than indulging in your struggles, and asking for gratification.

Originally Posted by Kentl

And why did god make us want sex anyway? Is what she said
And I don’t believe it is right to
Wait
But why did god do this it is like he wants you to fail
I mean he could have made it were we would not want sex in till we marry problem solved

and i meant she believes Christ died for our sins

God made us want sex, so we would reproduce. He also gave us the free will. That is why people want sex, even if they are not married. Restricting the sex drive to only married couples would destroy the idea of free will. He does not want us to fail.

[Kentl]

Originally Posted by mulletman

What about them? They struggle with sin just like the rest of us. The difference, is knowing that what you struggle with is wrong, and fighting it. Rather than indulging in your struggles, and asking for gratification.



God made us want sex, so we would reproduce. He also gave us the free will. That is why people want sex, even if they are not married. Restricting the sex drive to only married couples would destroy the idea of free will. He does not want us to fail.

the gay ones did not ask for it so how is that free will?

the sex drive is not our fault how is that free will?
i am confused here

[BillSPrestonEsq]

Originally Posted by Kentl

so just because no one shares my beliefs i cant date (not counting age)
that is not right okay?

Uh, yeah, if nobody shares your beliefs, your dating then can only go places it shouldn't! Dating those with different beliefs about sex, god, the bible, etc is always a bad idea.

So just because i believe defiant I must be alone forever no

No, but alone forever is not being 14 and dateless. Believing different, is a reason not to date people. If you have fundamentally different views about everything in life that matters, (and faith should be the Christian's foundation, you fundamentally will be going opposite reactions.

and i am sure all of you have something you wife’s husbands gf and bfs don’t agree on when it comes to believes i am sorry but no one believes the exact same thing

There are minor things, I suppose, but to be honest, God, Jesus, morals, the Bible and how we should make moral decisions are all fundamental.

[mulletman]

Originally Posted by Kentl

the gay ones did not ask for it so how is that free will?

Didn't ask for what? To be homosexual? Of course not. Just like no one asks to be an alcoholic, or no one asks to struggle with heterosexual lust. Humans are sinful. We struggle with sin of any and all kinds. That was our choice, at the beginning. We can exercise our free will to fight sinful behavior, or we can exercise our free will and indulge ourselves in sin.

Originally Posted by Kentl

the sex drive is not our fault how is that free will?
i am confused here

No, it is not our fault that we have an urge to mate. However, in order for us to keep existing, we need to reproduce. For us to reproduce, we have to want to reproduce. God made mankind how it is, intentionally. Whether or not we choose to conduct ourselves within the boundaries He has set before us, is our choice to make.

[Kentl]

Originally Posted by Billgamesh

Uh, yeah, if nobody shares your beliefs, your dating then can only go places it shouldn't! Dating those with different beliefs about sex, god, the bible, etc is always a bad idea.



No, but alone forever is not being 14 and dateless. Believing different, is a reason not to date people. If you have fundamentally different views about everything in life that matters, (and faith should be the Christian's foundation, you fundamentally will be going opposite reactions.



There are minor things, I suppose, but to be honest, God, Jesus, morals, the Bible and how we should make moral decisions are all fundamental.

so you are saying that someone you love believes every thing about the bible you do?
and someone believes everything you believe about god?

[Kentl]

Originally Posted by mulletman

Didn't ask for what? To be homosexual? Of course not. Just like no one asks to be an alcoholic, or no one asks to struggle with heterosexual lust. Humans are sinful. We struggle with sin of any and all kinds. That was our choice, at the beginning. We can exercise our free will to fight sinful behavior, or we can exercise our free will and indulge ourselves in sin.


No, it is not our fault that we have an urge to mate. However, in order for us to keep existing, we need to reproduce. For us to reproduce, we have to want to reproduce. God made mankind how it is, intentionally. Whether or not we choose to conduct ourselves within the boundaries He has set before us, is our choice to make.

but with drinking you have to take a drink gay you are born with it most of the time
and it grows you have no control over it and if you are not
But god made us to mate why is it possible to be Gay then?
Not free choice because they don’t have a choice in the mater they are not attracted to the other sex because that is how the body is they did not choice that

[BillSPrestonEsq]

Originally Posted by Kentl

so you are saying that someone you love believes every thing about the bible you do?
and someone believes everything you believe about god?

Actually, pretty much.

Originally Posted by kentl

but with drinking you have to take a drink gay you are born with it most of the time
and it grows you have no control over it and if you are not
But god made us to mate why is it possible to be Gay then?
Not free choice because they don’t have a choice in the mater they are not attracted to the other sex because that is how the body is they did not choice that

To sin in homosexuality you have to lust, which is a choice, and you have to take action.

And just to point this out, there is no absolute evidence homosexuality is nature, not nurture.

[Kentl]

Originally Posted by Billgamesh

Actually, pretty much.



To sin in homosexuality you have to lust, which is a choice, and you have to take action.

And just to point this out, there is no absolute evidence homosexuality is nature, not nurture.

how did it get three then?
Lusting is not a choice i don’t want to think that girl is hot but i do

[mulletman]

Originally Posted by Kentl

how did it get three then?
Lusting is not a choice i don’t want to think that girl is hot but i do

How did it get there? Just like any other sin...... humans are dumb, and we chose to eat from the wrong tree......

Lusting is absolutely a choice. Lust is not the same as attraction. You can see a girl, and recognize that she is attractive. That is not lust.

[Thrash]

Originally Posted by Kentl

how did it get three then?
Lusting is not a choice i don’t want to think that girl is hot but i do

Yes it is a choice. You can control your thoughts.
It is ok tot hink someone is pretty, but when you start lusting you jave crossed the line.

What is your defintion of lust? If we don't know then we are lost in semantics.....

[Kentl]

Originally Posted by mulletman

How did it get there? Just like any other sin...... humans are dumb, and we chose to eat from the wrong tree......

Lusting is absolutely a choice. Lust is not the same as attraction. You can see a girl, and recognize that she is attractive. That is not lust.

okay i never got that why are will still paying for that?????
it happed millions of years ago!!!!!!!
we did not even do it it was tow of us so because of Adam and eve we have to pay the price for that you think god would do something about that like forgive
I thought god forgave all sin yet that one we are still paying for
and next one then i have not lusted when i thought i did
i can only name one girl i thought about sex to and that is it