MLB 2009

**thesteve** · 07-13-2009, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by penguinofwar

I'm pretty sure everytime the Tigers score it least 5 runs they win. Their pitching has been that good lately...

Is that sarcasm or does a team ERA of 4 really pass as good in the AL?

penguinofwar · 07-13-2009, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by thesteve

Is that sarcasm or does a team ERA of 4 really pass as good in the AL?

Uh, the Tigers have the 8th best ERA in the MLB. I'm not sure what you are saying.

***Art*** · 07-13-2009, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by penguinofwar

Uh, the Tigers have the 8th best ERA in the MLB. I'm not sure what you are saying.

You have to understand, Steve and I are fans in the NL West, which has produced the NL's Cy Young winner for... What now, 6 straight years? And it is looking likely that they will again this year, with Haren, Lincecum and Cain doing what they are doing. We watch/love teams that have ridiculously low ERAs on a yearly basis. Teams that generally don't lose if they score 4 runs in a game.

**thesteve** · 07-13-2009, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by penguinofwar

Uh, the Tigers have the 8th best ERA in the MLB. I'm not sure what you are saying.

You just said that when the Tigers score 5 or more runs they win because their pitching is just that good. For a season a team ERA around 4 is pretty good, but you made it sound as if the pitching were on a hot streak. A team ERA of 4 doesn't strike me as a particularly hot streak.

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Originally Posted by Art

You have to understand, Steve and I are fans in the NL West, which has produced the NL's Cy Young winner for... What now, 6 straight years? And it is looking likely that they will again this year, with Haren, Lincecum and Cain doing what they are doing. We watch/love teams that have ridiculously low ERAs on a yearly basis. Teams that generally don't lose if they score 4 runs in a game.

Exactly, there have been periods with the Padres the last two or three seasons where if the offense could muster 3 runs, the Padres would pick up a win the vast majority of the time. Heck, the beginning of this season was looking that way until Peavy and Young went down.

Just for reference, the NL West took the Cy Young in eight of the last 10 seasons (we didn't take it in '05 or '04 when Clemens and Carpenter took it), and even in those seasons we had Cy Young caliber guys up and down the league.

**redbaron** · 07-13-2009, 12:39 PM

funny article from ESPN.com here

i'm going to quote it just in case it goes away. Basically M's = win, KC Royals = d'oh

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In acquiring Betancourt, K.C. comes up short

The Royals kicked off their offseason last winter by acquiring Mike Jacobs, a player so limited in skills that acquiring him made little sense even before considering their superior in-house alternatives. Jacobs has, predictably, flopped, both at the plate and with the glove.

On Friday, the Royals topped that move with an even worse one, trading for Yuniesky Betancourt, who might very well be the worst everyday player in the majors, and actually giving up something of value in Danny Cortes, a hard-throwing pitching prospect with command and makeup issues, and Derrick Saito, who projects at least as a lefty specialist if the Mariners choose to push him up the ladder.

Betancourt does nothing well on a baseball field. He can't hit and has lost bat speed since reaching the majors. He hacks at everything he sees, and even swings at pitches thrown to other hitters. He has next to no range at short. And he never hustles on anything -- not balls hit in his direction, not ground balls he might have a chance to beat out (well, before he let himself go physically). Other than all that, he's Honus Wagner.

AlphaSigma · 07-13-2009, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by redbaron

funny article from ESPN.com here

i'm going to quote it just in case it goes away. Basically M's = win, KC Royals = d'oh

Yeah, Royal management makes yet another terrible move. What else is new?

**tmlfan123** · 07-13-2009, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by earlessdog

Tell me about it, and to make Blue Jays baseball worse, that ding dong of an owner Riccardi is now listening to offers to trade the Doc! Arguably the best pitcher in the majors, he is the LAST player they need to trade! Some days i'd just like to kick Riccardi in the butt.

I have never liked J.P. Ricciardi. How many of his deals have worked out well for us?

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Now, I like Wells and I love Rios, but they simply aren't playing up to their potential (especially Rios) and as much as I hate to say it, I think they need to start looking for people to trade with. They are outstanding outfielders, but thats just not enough.

Personally I wouldn't blow the core of this team apart just yet. I also love Rios, but he may be worth more as trade bait than he is as our right fielder right now. However, it's still only the halfway point of the season, and Rios has always played better in the second half. I think we still need one more left handed bat.

**tmlfan123** · 07-13-2009, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by AlphaSigma

Yeah, Royal management makes yet another terrible move. What else is new?

Yeah I guess I can be thankful I'm not a Royals fan. At least the Jays are consistently mediocre instead of consistently awful

**Shift** · 07-14-2009, 02:52 PM

I heard on the radio today the Doc Halladay will most likely land on the LAA if anywhere. That's frightening.

**tmlfan123** · 07-14-2009, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Shift

I heard on the radio today the Doc Halladay will most likely land on the LAA if anywhere. That's frightening.

Did they say what the Jays would get in return? I'm still against dealing Halladay, but the return should be staggering.

penguinofwar · 07-14-2009, 11:26 PM

I kind of hope the Jays don't deal Halladay...I like him where he is..

Curtis Granderson for all star game MVP!

**Shift** · 07-15-2009, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by tmlfan123

Did they say what the Jays would get in return? I'm still against dealing Halladay, but the return should be staggering.

Not specifically, but they said Toronto wants young pitchers and maybe a shortstop. Keep in mind that I heard this on sports radio and it may be totally off.

***Art*** · 07-15-2009, 04:16 PM

Well, the return likely would not seem so staggering at first. A huge trade like that usually means prospects. Young players that you probably have not even heard of yet.

**Shift** · 07-15-2009, 04:33 PM

Now that you brought it up... I'm curious. Do you guys ever hear about the BoSox having the best minor league system in the majors or is that all just local fluff?

**thesteve** · 07-15-2009, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Shift

Do you guys ever hear about the BoSox having the best minor league system in the majors or is that all just local fluff?

Local radio guys were talking about that last night, largely because comparatively the Padres farm system has been dry for quite some time.